Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov...
by eloisius on Monday February 03, 2025 @11:44PM
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Please don’t share with us what Claude has to say. We can all query an LLM ourselves.
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov...
by UltraSane on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @12:19AM
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But you wouldn't do so, would you?
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov...
by plaguuuuuu on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @12:33AM
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protip for the future: if you need an actual legal opinion do not try to use AI
DOGE also has no legitimate need or legal right to access the federal payment system. He is in violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and should be arrested and put on trial along with any other DOGE employee who has accessed the federal payment system.
Here is what Claude has to say:
If an employee of the US government were to gain access to the federal payment system and stop a payment that was authorized by Congress what crime would they be guilty of?
This scenario would likely constitute several federal crimes under Title 18 of the United States Code:
The primary offense would be embezzlement and theft of public funds under 18 U.S.C. § 641, as the employee would be misappropriating or interfering with government money.
Since this involves computer systems, they would also violate 18 U.S.C. § 1030 - the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA). Specifically, subsection (a)(4) which prohibits accessing a protected computer with intent to defraud.
The act would additionally qualify as conversion and misapplication of government funds under 18 U.S.C. § 648, since it involves an officer or employee converting public money to unauthorized purposes.
Furthermore, this action would violate the Anti-Deficiency Act (31 U.S.C. § 1341) which prohibits federal employees from preventing the execution of budget appropriations made by Congress.
If the employee acted with others, conspiracy charges under 18 U.S.C. § 371 could apply.
The maximum penalties vary by statute but can include:
Sources: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/641 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1030 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/1341 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371And DeepSeek R1
If a U.S. government employee unlawfully accessed the federal payment system to stop a congressionally authorized payment, they could face several criminal charges, depending on the specifics of their actions. Key potential violations include:
Additional Considerations: This scenario underscores the intersection of cybersecurity, obstruction, and misuse of authority laws. Legal outcomes would depend heavily on evidence of intent, authorization level, and the specific means used to halt the payment.