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Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by Mengkudulangsat on Monday February 03, 2025 @07:44PM (#42925736)
Fair demand by the IMF.

Presumably they require their loan to be repaid in fiat because of their internal charter. If Bitcoin adoption eventually removes El Salvador's ability to issue fiat, their loan can't be repaid.

Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by do_not_redeem on Monday February 03, 2025 @07:58PM (#42925890)
El Salvador can't issue fiat. They use US dollars. Only the US Federal Reserve can issue USD.
Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by kragen on Monday February 03, 2025 @09:50PM (#42927117)
They could. Ecuador does in fact mint its own US-dollar coins, and El Salvador could dedollarize.
Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by favorited on Monday February 03, 2025 @10:31PM (#42927499)
Ecuador mints their own centavo coins, but they are not legal tender outside of Ecuador. They've never released their own $1 coin into general circulation – their ubiquitous Sacagawea dollars are minted in the US.
Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by kragen on Monday February 03, 2025 @10:34PM (#42927528)
Sorry, I didn't mean to say they minted US$1 coins, just coins whose value is denominated in dollars. I think the biggest one is US$0.25?

US dollars are also not legal tender outside the US, with a few exceptions (I think including both El Salvador and Ecuador.)

Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by hackernudes on Monday February 03, 2025 @07:57PM (#42925878)
El Salvador doesn't have a fiat currency. They are dollarized since 2001.
Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by Mengkudulangsat on Monday February 03, 2025 @08:10PM (#42926024)
Hmm.. I didn't know that. Which makes the demand purely political then. I recall IMF making the same demand from an island country a few years ago too.

https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2021/07/26/blog-crypto...

Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by mattnewton on Monday February 03, 2025 @08:38PM (#42926347)
The IMF feels bitcoin is a risky asset and doesn’t want to be a part of that gamble when making its loan. The IMF has a history of making lots of conditions they feel minimize risk.

To me it looks more like my bank mandating I carry certain kinds of insurance in the terms of my mortgage than a political bias, but I am not an expert.

Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by iforgot22 on Monday February 03, 2025 @09:03PM (#42926606)
"urged officials to limit its exposure" is what the Reuters article said, so yeah. They think El Salvador's ability to repay the loan is tied too much to BTC.
Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by xenihn on Monday February 03, 2025 @08:03PM (#42925948)
El Salvador hasn't issued fiat since 2001. Any other presumptions as to why its a fair demand?
Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by bawolff on Monday February 03, 2025 @08:19PM (#42926133)
That's not really how that works. IMF can demand their loan be repaid in whatever currency they want. Its totally normal for international loans to be denominated in a currency other than the recipient's legal tender, particularly for high risk countries (although that is usually bad for the recipient)
Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by chrisco255 on Monday February 03, 2025 @08:27PM (#42926212)
In particular El Salvador doesn't even have its own legal tender and haven't for a long time. They use the US dollar.
Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by throwaway314155 on Monday February 03, 2025 @08:38PM (#42926340)
They don't want Bitcoin in exchange. Seems entirely reasonable to me given how much the value of cryptocurrency fluctuates with low predictability. They could get paid in it one day and lose half the value the next.
Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by ty6853 on Monday February 03, 2025 @08:55PM (#42926517)
This is why otc tradfi crypto futures are needed. You can buy a train car full of corn a year out trivially on a liquid futures market, regardless if corn prices fluctuate wildly you will pay what was agreed. Listing BTC derivatives would solve the predictability for fixed loan terms.
Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by bboygravity on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @01:57AM (#42929003)
Fiat currencies also can and have lost half their value plenty of times.

Actually I can't think of any fiat currency that hasn't at least halved in value?

Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by graemep on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @06:57AM (#42931248)
Usually over a long time. They are a lot less volatile than Bitcoin.

You can also offset the risks of sudden devaluation through matching assets and liabilities, trading derivatives and so on.

Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by kragen on Monday February 03, 2025 @09:49PM (#42927096)
The IMF will definitely not accept repayment in El Salvador's own fiat currency! That would be obviously stupid of them.
Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by Paradigma11 on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @04:16AM (#42930107)
Especially since it doesn't have one.
Re:El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender after failed... by kragen on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @05:14AM (#42930544)
It could certainly create one. It has in the past.