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Re:RLHF Book by kadushka on Saturday February 01, 2025 @07:56PM (#42904365)
Has r1 made RLHF obsolete?
Re:RLHF Book by alexhutcheson on Saturday February 01, 2025 @08:10PM (#42904497)
DeepSeek-R1 had an RLHF step in their post-training pipeline (section 2.3.4 of their technical report[1]).

In addition, the "reasoning-oriented reinforcement learning" step (section 2.3.2) used an approach that is almost identical to RLHF in theory and implementation. The main difference is that they used a rule-based reward system, rather than a model trained on human preference data.

If you want to train a model like DeepSeek-R1, you'll need to know the fundamentals of reinforcement learning on language models, including RLHF.

[1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2501.12948

Re:RLHF Book by bryan0 on Saturday February 01, 2025 @10:37PM (#42905552)
Yes but these were steps were not used in R1-zero where its reasoning capabilities were trained.
Re:RLHF Book by littlestymaar on Sunday February 02, 2025 @05:28AM (#42907748)
And as a result R1-zero is way too crude to be used directly, which is a good indication that it remains relevant.
Re:RLHF Book by natolambert on Saturday February 01, 2025 @10:19PM (#42905436)
As the other commenter said, R1 required very standard RLHF techniques too. But a fun way to think about it is that reasoning models are going to be bigger and uplift the RLHF boat.

But we need a few years to establish basics before I can write a cumulative RL for LLMs book ;)

Re:RLHF Book by JackYoustra on Friday February 07, 2025 @01:30AM (#42970030)
This is a GREAT book, if you decide to write it in a rolling fashion you'd have at least one reader from the start :)
Re:RLHF Book by gr3ml1n on Saturday February 01, 2025 @10:59PM (#42905686)
This feels like a category mistake. Why would R1 make RLHF obsolete?
Re:RLHF Book by drmindle12358 on Sunday February 02, 2025 @06:28AM (#42907978)
You meant to ask "Has r1 made SFT obsolete?" ?