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Re:OpenAI O3-Mini by zackproser on Friday January 31, 2025 @06:54PM (#42893927)
Not trying to be snarky, but the example prompt you provided is about 1/15th the length and detail of prompts I usually send when working with Cursor.

I tend to exhaustively detail what I want, including package names and versions because I've been to that movie before...

Re:OpenAI O3-Mini by inerte on Friday January 31, 2025 @07:22PM (#42894197)
What works nice also is the text to speech. I find it easier and faster to give more context by talking rather than typing, and the extra content helps the AI to do its job.

And even though the speech recognition fails a lot on some of the technical terms or weirdly named packages, software, etc, it still does a good job overall (if I don’t feel like correcting the wrong stuff).

It’s great and has become somewhat of a party trick at work. Some people don’t even use AI to code that often, and when I show them “hey have you tried this?” And just tell the computer what I want? Most folks are blown away.

Re:OpenAI O3-Mini by cadence- on Friday January 31, 2025 @08:37PM (#42894753)
Does the Cursor have text-to-speech functionality?
Re:OpenAI O3-Mini by fud101 on Friday January 31, 2025 @09:39PM (#42895122)
you mean speech to text right?
Re:OpenAI O3-Mini by chefandy on Friday January 31, 2025 @10:41PM (#42895440)
Not for me. I first ask Advanced Voice to read me some code and have Siri listen and email it to an API I wrote which uses Claude to estimate the best cloud provider to run that code based on its requirements and then a n8n script deploys it and send me the results via twilio.
Re:OpenAI O3-Mini by inerte on Saturday February 01, 2025 @05:47PM (#42903268)
Sorry! Yes, speech to text.
Re:OpenAI O3-Mini by mvkel on Friday January 31, 2025 @07:34PM (#42894300)
My point was that a prompt that simple could be held and executed very well by sonnet, but all other models (especially reasoning models) crash and burn.

It's a 15 line tsx file so context shouldn't be an issue.

Makes me wonder if reasoning models are really proper models for coding in existing codebases

Re:OpenAI O3-Mini by liamwire on Friday January 31, 2025 @08:55PM (#42894876)
Your last point matches what I’ve seen some people (simonw?) say they’re doing currently: using aider to work with two models—one reasoning model as an architect, and one standard LLM as the actual coder. Surprisingly, the results seem pretty good vs. putting everything on one model.
Re:OpenAI O3-Mini by mvkel on Friday January 31, 2025 @09:24PM (#42895047)
This is probably the right way to think about it. O1-pro is an absolute monster when it comes to architecture. It is staggering the breadth and depth that it sees. Ask it to actually implement though, and it trips over its shoelaces almost immediately.
Re:OpenAI O3-Mini by goosejuice on Friday January 31, 2025 @09:48PM (#42895165)
Can you give an example of this monstrous capability you speak of? What have you used it for professionally w.r.t. architecture.
Re:OpenAI O3-Mini by mvkel on Saturday February 01, 2025 @03:30PM (#42901947)
The biggest delta over regular o1 that I've seen is asking it to make a PRD of an app that I define as a stream-of-consciousness with bullet points.

It's fantastic at finding needles in the haystack, so the contradictions are nonexistent. In other words, it seems to identify which objects would interrelate and builds around those nodes, where o1 seems to think more in "columns."

To sum it up, where o1 feels like "5 human minute thinking," o1-pro feels like "1 human hour thinking"

Re:OpenAI O3-Mini by jwpapi on Friday January 31, 2025 @07:11PM (#42894092)
Yes this works good for me too rather take your time and do the first prompt right
Re:OpenAI O3-Mini by crooked-v on Friday January 31, 2025 @09:24PM (#42895046)
If have to write a prompt that long, it'll be faster to just write the code.
Re:OpenAI O3-Mini by aprilthird2021 on Friday January 31, 2025 @09:48PM (#42895169)
Shocking to see this because this was essentially the reason most of the previous no code solutions never took off...
Re:OpenAI O3-Mini by esperent on Friday January 31, 2025 @10:22PM (#42895336)
That sounds exhausting. Wouldn't it be faster to include you package.json in the context?

I sometimes do this (using Cline), plus create a .cline file at project root which I refine over time and which describes both the high level project overview, details of the stack I'm using, and technical details I want each prompt to follow.

Then each actual prompt can be quite short: read files x, y, and z, and make the following changes... where I keep the changes concise and logically connected - basically what I might do for a single pull request.

Re:OpenAI O3-Mini by hombre_fatal on Friday January 31, 2025 @11:21PM (#42895612)
You’re basically saying you write 15x the prompt for the same result they get with sonnet.