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Re:Commercial jet collides with Black Hawk helicopter near R... by evil-olive on Thursday January 30, 2025 @01:10AM (#42875353)
> The flight track of the helicopter starts at a property in McLean, VA

that's almost certainly not where the flight started, due to intricacies of how this sort of flight tracking works.

if you look at [0] it has tracks of both flights. toggle the right-hand sidebar, if it's not open already, and you'll see a table containing both planes. the helicopter (PAT25) is yellow, the plane (JIA5342) is blue. the legend right below that explains the color-coding - the plane's data came from ADS-B, while the helicopter's data came from multilateration (MLAT).

MLAT [1, 2] works by having multiple ADS-B feeder stations cooperate in real-time and deduce an aircraft's position based on timestamps of when the signal is received. it allows tracking aircraft that only broadcast the more limited Mode S data, instead of the newer and more detailed ADS-B.

because it requires multiple cooperating receivers, the start of the track in suburban McLean does not mean it took off from there. it just means that was the point in its flight where it became visible to enough receivers that MLAT was able to pin down a position.

you can also see this difference just by looking at the tracks - the plane is broadcasting its own position continuously, so its track is nice and smooth. meanwhile the helicopter's flight looks "jagged" in a way that does not match what its actual flight path would have been. this is an artifact of the small errors introduced by MLAT.

0: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae313d,a97753

1: https://www.flightaware.com/adsb/mlat/

2: https://adsbx.discourse.group/t/multilateration-mlat-how-it-...

Re:Commercial jet collides with Black Hawk helicopter near R... by amelius on Thursday January 30, 2025 @07:53AM (#42877275)
That's a nice website, but from a layman's perspective it seems odd that everybody with an internet connection could have seen the imminent crash except the pilots ...
Re:Commercial jet collides with Black Hawk helicopter near R... by nemomarx on Thursday January 30, 2025 @08:19AM (#42877436)
once you know to look at those two specific flights it probably gets easier, yeah. if you were looking at everything in the air at the time I think less so?
Re:Commercial jet collides with Black Hawk helicopter near R... by amelius on Thursday January 30, 2025 @10:02AM (#42878394)
I mean, you can get the data from an API, probably. Then you just write a python script to keep an eye on colliding trajectories.
Re:Commercial jet collides with Black Hawk helicopter near R... by mrguyorama on Thursday January 30, 2025 @11:25AM (#42879295)
I'm sorry, do you HONESTLY think ATC doesn't do that? ATC was literally mid conversation with the helicopter to deconflict it's path when the collision happened.

What is it with people insisting that the smart people literally tasked with their job somehow have no idea how to do it?

Re:Commercial jet collides with Black Hawk helicopter near R... by amelius on Thursday January 30, 2025 @06:28PM (#42883298)
Well, it appears that the situation came as a surprise to at least one of the parties involved.
Re:Commercial jet collides with Black Hawk helicopter near R... by alistairSH on Thursday January 30, 2025 @11:03AM (#42879001)
And just to be clear, the POTUS/super-special VIP transport is run by the USMC out of Quantico[1], a bit further to the south along the Potomac. Belvoir is US Army, and does have VIP heelicopters (obviously), but it's not the same group that lands at the White House.

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMX-1 They have some Ospreys and other things as well, but HMX-1 is the most famous and recognizable.