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Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by miki123211 on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:51PM (#42874640)
The issue here is breach of contract, not copyright.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by staticman2 on Thursday January 30, 2025 @01:54AM (#42875560)
Similar to how a patent contract becomes void when a patent expires regardless of what the terms of the contract says, it's not clear to me OpenAI can enforce a contract provision for an API output they own no copyright in.

Since they have no intellectual property rights in the output, it's not clear to me they have a cause of action to sue over how the output is used.

I wonder if any lawyers have written about this topic.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by prmoustache on Thursday January 30, 2025 @02:17AM (#42875657)
What makes you think they had a contract with them in the first place? You can use openAI through intermediaries/proxies.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by WolfRazu on Thursday January 30, 2025 @04:35AM (#42876336)
I assume all those intermediaries have to pass on the same ToS to their customers otherwise that seems like a very unusual move.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by glooglork on Thursday January 30, 2025 @02:26AM (#42875702)
It's quite unlikely that OpenAI didn't break any TOS with all the data they used for training their models. Not just OpenAI but all companies that are developing LLMs.

IMO, it would look bad for OpenAI to push strongly with this story, it would look like they're losing the technological edge and are now looking for other ways to make sure they remain on top.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by boppo1 on Saturday February 01, 2025 @06:10AM (#42897531)
Interesting that Trump signalled positively for deepseek. Said something like 'american companies need to wake up'. Has Sam not paid the piper yet?
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by fdsjgfklsfd on Saturday February 01, 2025 @01:13AM (#42896133)
How many thousands or millions of contracts has OpenAI breached by scraping data off of websites that have terms of service explicitly saying not to scrape data off their websites?