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Re:An analysis of DeepSeek's R1-Zero and R1 by levocardia on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @03:59PM (#42871091)
What's interesting is that you can already see the "AI race" dynamics in play -- OpenAI must be under immense market pressure to push o3 out to the public to reclaim "king of the hill" status.
Re:An analysis of DeepSeek's R1-Zero and R1 by spoaceman7777 on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @04:45PM (#42871617)
I suppose they're under some pressure to release o3-mini, since r1 is roughly a peer for that, but r1 itself is still quite rough. The o1 series had seen significantly more QA time to smooth out the rough edges, and idiosyncracies what a "production" model should be optimized for, vs. just a top scorer on benchmarks.

We'll likely only see o3 once there is a true polished peer for it. It's a race, and companies are keeping their best models close to their chest, as they're used internally to train smaller models.

e.g., Claude 3.5 Opus has been around for quite a while, but it's unreleased. Instead, it was just used to refine Claude Sonnet 3.5 into Claude Sonnet 3.6 (3.6 is for lack of a better name, since it's still called 3.5).

We also might see a new GPT-4o refresh trained up using GPT-o3 via deepseek's distillation technique and other tricks.

There are a lot of new directions to go in now for OpenAI, but unfortunately, we won't likely see them until their API dominance comes under threat.

Re:An analysis of DeepSeek's R1-Zero and R1 by danenania on Thursday January 30, 2025 @01:24AM (#42875437)
That could also definitely make sense if the SOTA models are too slow and expensive to be popular with a general audience.
Re:An analysis of DeepSeek's R1-Zero and R1 by amelius on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @06:28PM (#42872737)
Yeah, but they can use DeepSeek's new algorithm too.