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Re:OpenAI says it has evidence China's DeepSeek used its mod... by tensor on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:21PM (#42868959)
The training techniques are a breakthrough no matter what data is used. It's not up for debate, it's an empirical question with a concrete answer. They can and did train orders of magnitude faster.
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Re:OpenAI says it has evidence China's DeepSeek used its mod... by blast on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:42PM (#42869252)
Not arguing with your point about training efficiency, but the degree to which R1 is a technical breakthrough changes if they were calling an outside API to get the answers, no?

It seems like the difference between someone doing a better writeup of (say) Wiles' proof vs. proving Fermat's Last Theorem independently.

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Re:OpenAI says it has evidence China's DeepSeek used its mod... by pests on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @03:10PM (#42870476)
That outside API used to be humans, doing the work manually. Now we have ways to speed that up.
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