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Re:Intel doesn't know how to be a foundry," Tim Cook reporte... by talldayo on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:15PM (#42868859)
Sure they do. They just don't have any capacity for producing the chip density that Apple demands. It's like showing up to a motorcycle factory and complaining that they don't know how to manufacture cars.

If America wanted EULV fabrication, it had to be organized and funded by the state. American fabs already made their business decision.

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Re:Intel doesn't know how to be a foundry," Tim Cook reporte... by wtallis on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:23PM (#42868983)
The article is talking about Intel's capabilities almost 15 years ago. EUVL is not part of the conversation. This was when Intel was bringing up their first FinFET process.

It's pretty widely known and documented that Intel at that time was in a horrible position to be a foundry for outside designers, especially ones that wanted to be able to design for more than one foundry.

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Re:Intel doesn't know how to be a foundry," Tim Cook reporte... by scrlk on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:32PM (#42869135)
> If America wanted EULV fabrication, it had to be organized and funded by the state.

The DoE funded initial research in to EUV via the national labs and EUV LLC back in the 90s. The IP was licenced to ASML, whilst Canon and Nikon (the leaders in lithography at the time) were blocked.

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Re:Intel doesn't know how to be a foundry," Tim Cook reporte... by Tostino on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @02:24PM (#42869849)
People in government in the 90s made a good call, and we haven't done anything since then to ensure it actually played out, until the post WW2 world order was already extremely unstable.

We have had multiple rounds of "why are we paying for any of this?" In our federal government since then.

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Re:Intel doesn't know how to be a foundry," Tim Cook reporte... by CharlesW on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:21PM (#42868958)
> They just don't have any capacity for producing the chip density that Apple demands.

TFA says that the "Intel just does not know how to be a foundry" quote is from 2011 (14 years ago), and referred to Intel's lack of a "customer-centric mindset" rather than specific manufacturing capabilities.

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