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Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by ceejayoz on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:21AM (#42865954)
> You don't need a moat when you're in first place.

Tell that to Friendster/MySpace and Facebook.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by onlyrealcuzzo on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:23AM (#42865987)
Cute - but MySpace didn't have >1B users, it didn't even have 10M when Facebook launched.

Try again.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by ceejayoz on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:26AM (#42866026)
Nothing had a billion users; the Internet didn't at the time.

MySpace and Friendster both spent significant time as the #1 social sites. Facebook unseated them rapidly. The same is possible for OpenAI.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by onlyrealcuzzo on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:36AM (#42866177)
There were ~900M internet users in 2004. Only ~1M of them were on MySpace.

That's 1 in 900.

There's 5.5B internet users in 2024. ~1B of them used ChatGPT monthly.

That's 1 in 5.

Do you see the difference yet?

It's literally orders of magnitude.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by ceejayoz on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:38AM (#42866224)
MySpace and Friendster both claimed ~115M peak users.

> It's literally orders of magnitude.

Sure, and the speed at which ChatGPT went from zero to a billion is precisely why they need a moat... because otherwise the next one can do it to them.

Your argument is like a railroad company in 1905 scoffing at the idea that airliners will be a thing.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by onlyrealcuzzo on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:44AM (#42866326)
Peek users is not the amount of users they had when Facebook started.

Facebook probably would've never became a thing if MySpace already had ~115M users when it started.

MySpace had ~1M.

That's why DeepSeek (or anyone else) is going to have an incredibly difficult time convincing ~1B to switch from ChatGPT to their tool instead.

Can it happen? For sure.

Will it happen? Less likely.

If anyone unseats ChatGPT - it's much more likely to be a usual suspect like Google, Apple, or Microsoft - then some obscure company no one has ever heard of.

Of course, anything is possible.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by cjbgkagh on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:25AM (#42866013)
It had more than Facebook when Facebook launched so I’m not sure what your point is
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by shmeeed on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @02:43PM (#42870115)
Dude, if you seriously believe OpenAI has 1B active users, you should go touch grass. Actual estimates are 100-200 million, about a magnitude lower.