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Re:Questions censored by DeepSeek by insane_dreamer on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @06:26PM (#42859510)
This is for 2 reasons: 1) these are not just China's "backstory" but very much part of its present modus operandi; and 2) China tightly censors the flow of information domestically (GFW, control of all traditional and social media companies, etc.) in order to prevent any public discussion of these atrocities. As such they hardly enter the social consciousness at all or at most in very limited fashion (some offline discussion between close family, friends).

The US has done a lot of fucked up shit (slavery, genocide of Native Americans, just to mention the two most egregious), but at least we can now call out those evils, there can be discussion, calls for reparations, and an awareness so that it never happens again. Germany and Nazism is another good example.

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Re:Questions censored by DeepSeek by sudosysgen on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @08:07PM (#42860221)
The American president just today proposed to do ethnic cleansing, and almost no American media outlet deigned to mention what it was. The US has been complicit in multiple genocides in the past 50 years, such atrocities are very much not just backstory and certainly are a present modus operandi as well. They've only even been backstory within living memory - they used to be inspirational stories.
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Re:Questions censored by DeepSeek by scarface_74 on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @08:28PM (#42860383)
CNN

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/27/middleeast/trump-clean-ou...

The AP

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-trump-gaza-eg...

Newsweek

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-faces-backlash-gaza-cl...

I found articles on ABC, CBS, NBC, and even Fox with its usual vile spin by the commenters

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Re:Questions censored by DeepSeek by sudosysgen on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @12:24PM (#42868053)
I didn't say it wasn't reported, I said outlets did not mention that it is ethnic cleansing. At best they'll cite someone who they qualify as biased as suggesting it could be.
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Re:Questions censored by DeepSeek by scarface_74 on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:23PM (#42868985)
What part of the results of the last election make you think that the majority of the American public would care if Israel dropped poison on the Palestinians and killed them all?

A large minority of the US literally thinks that Israel needs to be protected at all costs to make sure that when the rapture comes, Jesus will need some place to come back to.

https://www.arkdiscovery.com/rapture_israel.htm

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Re:Questions censored by DeepSeek by sudosysgen on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:34PM (#42869161)
How is this relevant to the fact that the US is actively misinforming the public on the actions of the US and it's allies by refusing to properly characterize clear actions? If anything it contributes to explaining your observation, not the reverse.
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Re:Questions censored by DeepSeek by scarface_74 on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:38PM (#42869214)
The point I’m trying to make is that you attribute to ignorance what is actually indifference at best and willful malice at worse. You literally can’t convince people who think that saving Israel will lead to their eternal salvation is not worth any price.

Do you remember in 2020 when the right was criticizing Fox News of being too liberal because they both called the election fairly and for the most part didn’t carry the MAGA line that the election was stolen?

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Re:Questions censored by DeepSeek by sudosysgen on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @03:18PM (#42870593)
I don't disagree, however for the AP to refuse calling a spade a spade to me makes it clear than when it comes euphemizing genocide, we're not really any better than China.

But that said, while you're right, it is a loop and the media can't be fully deresponsibilized when they become a victim of the narrative they helped shape.

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Re:Questions censored by DeepSeek by ToucanLoucan on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @03:48PM (#42870964)
> we're not really any better than China

No but you see, in America, the totalitarian despots are in the private sector. That means it's okay.

Seriously though it's remarkable how much good PR America gets because we just renamed "bribes" to "lobbying." It's the fucking same thing: exchanging money for the favor of the politically connected.

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Re:Questions censored by DeepSeek by insane_dreamer on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:09AM (#42865760)
Can’t disagree with you about America. But the fact that you can post this without fear and we can protest these injustices is what separates us from China.
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Re:Questions censored by DeepSeek by sudosysgen on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @11:26AM (#42867070)
The reason I replied to you is because you did disagree, by saying this is the Chinese modus operandi while it's merely our modus operandi.

As far as posting this without fear, I don't mind but I know many do, and stay silent on the subject. We are better in terms of freedom of speech but it's certainly not a subject anyone can speak on freely.

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Re:Questions censored by DeepSeek by insane_dreamer on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @12:53PM (#42868523)
> We are better in terms of freedom of speech but it's certainly not a subject anyone can speak on freely

I lived in China for 6 years and am well versed in the levels of control in play there, and the degree of freedom here is not at all comparable.

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Re:Questions censored by DeepSeek by sudosysgen on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:04PM (#42868690)
Again, I don't know why you're deflecting. I said we are doing better. What I disagreed is that we aren't afraid to do so - we aren't, protesting these issues runs the risk to have your life ruined. No point reiterating what I said to avoid answering my point, which is that many people are rightfully afraid to protest these issues, while you said there is no fear to protest them.
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Re:Questions censored by DeepSeek by insane_dreamer on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @04:10PM (#42871194)
Not deflecting at all. Is there significant fear of protesting them though? If there is I’m not aware of it and I consider myself fairly well read. If it exists it certainly is nowhere near at the level of the fear that exists in China which was my point.
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Re:Questions censored by DeepSeek by sudosysgen on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @06:26PM (#42872725)
Yes, there is, I know many people who are afraid of protesting because they'll likely lose their jobs. The police also likes kettling people in certain protests which can put you in a jail just for protesting.
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Re:Questions censored by DeepSeek by suraci on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:20AM (#42862143)
> but at least... so that it never happens again

lmao, you just got the 2rd of Donald Trump

sure, 4 years later everything will be corrected

then sponsor another genocide or start another war with another lie

and after another 4 year another orange prisident arrive to correct everything

and another war

but at least

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