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Re:Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startu... by kowfm on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @05:14PM (#42858779)
I definitely recommend using Ruby, and Rails.

The Jason Fried and David Hansson Musk/Fascist vibes are real and are a problem. Most of the people in the Ruby community recognize that problem and are taking steps to mitigate that issue. Most of the core Rails committers don't work for 37 signals, and it's not really a thing made just by them.

Definitely use Rails to start a new project. The real hero here is Ruby and the Ruby ecosystem. It's incredibly stable and mature, But also getting faster every year. About 20 years ago Ruby web frameworks agreed on an ad hoc server interface api, Rack, which is one of the secrets that has made Ruby incredibly stable.

The package system, Ruby Gems, is really great. You can find a Gem for just about anything you could ever need or want. With mountains of Open Source projects and code to read to pick up patterns, or to see prior art to solve a unique problem you're encountering.

Anyways, it's a really solid choice.

Re:Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startu... by anonfordays on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @05:21PM (#42858866)
>The Jason Fried and David Hansson Musk/Fascist vibes are real and are a problem.

What do you mean by this? Where have Jason Fried or David Hansson supported fascism? Your account is ten years old and this is the first comment you've ever made.

Re:Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startu... by kowfm on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @09:33PM (#42860831)
It doesn't mean I'm not right.

I mean that they give off Fascist vibes, and that it's a problem. Adoration for and support of fascist people and regimes are implicit support of fascism. Not explicit.

Go read their blogs, I'm sure you'll find lots of examples.

Re:Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startu... by wyclif on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @03:19AM (#42862749)
>I mean that they give off Fascist vibes, and that it's a problem

But you've just repeated the accusation and said that you think it's a problem. You haven't provided proof of any actual fascism.

Re:Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startu... by riffraff on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @07:37AM (#42864181)
I disagree that DHH is a fascist, I do agree he gives off Musk vibes e.g.

https://world.hey.com/dhh/mega-a0f62cd4 "so pumped up about Trump"

https://world.hey.com/dhh/failed-integration-and-the-fall-of... "multiculturalism is bad"

https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-social-media-censorship-era-is... "hooray for lack of fact checking"

(you may agree with him or not, and he makes better argument than Musk, but it's the same vibe)

Re:Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startu... by wusher on Thursday January 30, 2025 @12:23PM (#42879904)
What do any of those quotes have to do with fascism?
Re:Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startu... by xp84 on Thursday January 30, 2025 @04:59PM (#42882594)
I think you’ve discovered the corollary to the “Everything I don’t like is woke” that people say right wingers do. “Everything we don’t like is fascist,” says the far left.

Only way to avoid being called either a fascist or woke (and I know some who are accused of both!) nowadays is to never say anything.

Re:Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startu... by riffraff on Saturday February 01, 2025 @12:44PM (#42900273)
don't ask me, I said I don't think he's a fascist.
Re:Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startu... by anonfordays on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @04:14AM (#42863040)
>It doesn't mean I'm not right.

It doesn't mean you're not wrong. Is this a personal vendetta?

>I mean that they give off Fascist vibes, and that it's a problem. Adoration for and support of fascist people and regimes are implicit support of fascism.

Where? Link examples where they supported Fascism. "Vibes" are meaningless, I need specific examples of these claims, else they can be tossed outright.

>Go read their blogs, I'm sure you'll find lots of examples.

Didn't find anything about supporting Fascism.

Re:Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startu... by kowfm on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:51AM (#42866455)
I'm not interested in prosecuting that David gives off fascist vibes. I don't have to provide proof. Kinda lazy that you're all not out there looking for the proof yourself.

To reorient the discussion around what the original poster talked about, that he gives off Elon Musk Vibes. And that it's a problem. Well it IS a problem. A problem openly, and vigorously discussed in the Ruby community.

Many people have left the Ruby community because of his behavior, and many more have chosen never to come into the community because of it. Because of the perceived strong association between him and the Ruby and Rails community at large.

Anyways, as per my original point, that despite the Fascist vibes from that guy, Ruby and Rails are still really great choices.

Re:Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startu... by anonfordays on Thursday January 30, 2025 @12:39PM (#42880051)
>I'm not interested in prosecuting that David gives off fascist vibes. I don't have to provide proof.

Oh, so you don't have any proof, got it. Your claims have been dismissed, David is not fascist.

>Kinda lazy that you're all not out there looking for the proof yourself.

There is no proof.

>To reorient the discussion around what the original poster talked about, that he gives off Elon Musk Vibes. And that it's a problem. Well it IS a problem.

No proof of this either, so your claim is dismissed outright.

>A problem openly, and vigorously discussed in the Ruby community.

Any proof of this? Who claims it's a problem?

>Many people have left the Ruby community because of his behavior

Looks like a loud minority of leftist activists may have left. That explains how Ruby has only gotten better since.

>many more have chosen never to come into the community because of it.

Many more have chose to join the community now that the activists are gone.

>Anyways, as per my original point, that despite the Fascist vibes from that guy

There are no Fascist vibes as shown above.

Re:Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startu... by anonfordays on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @03:35PM (#43018011)
Not surprised I didn't get a response. Ten year old account wasted on some bizarre personal vendetta or virtue signal. Embarrassing.
Re:Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startu... by hitekker on Friday January 31, 2025 @01:57AM (#42885246)
> I don't have to provide proof. Kinda lazy that you're all not out there looking for the proof yourself

Ironically, this attitude is quite Trumpian. I hope you're just pretending to cover the laziness of your argument.