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Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by reaperducer on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @11:58AM (#42854666)
As SRE, I've heard executives say this "There is no penalty for breaches, why care?"

Depends on the industry. I'm in healthcare, and our legal department is always reminding the devs that even a small breach can be financially catastrophic for the company, as they are totaled as $xx,000 per person affected.

We get training on it every six months.

Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by stevenicr on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @12:46PM (#42855441)
I'd like to hear more about this training -

I have started to put together some resources to teach C suite, maybe new-to-the-field lawyers, other interested stakeholders - about website compliance issues..

looking to mimic other good training / learning materials, extra info to consider, maybe collab and send business I can't take on, etc.

Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by ziddoap on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @12:58PM (#42855603)
Not the person you are replying to, but I work in security and have spent ~5 years of my career helping various companies set up and maintain security awareness programs.

There are some out-of-the-box solutions that can start you on your way to creating a security awareness training program, such as KnowBe4 and ProofPoint (there are others as well, but these are some of the big names). If you don't have in-house security staff, these types of offerings can be quite helpful.

For a more grounds-up approach, there are guidelines such as the NIST SP 800-50 "Building a Cybersecurity and Privacy Learning Program" guidance. (https://csrc.nist.gov/pubs/sp/800/50/r1/final)

If you have specific questions, I can try to answer them.

Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by reaperman on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @01:09PM (#42855747)
As a technically-minded person, I've found both KnowBe4 and ProofPoint trainings to be very lacking/boring/superficial.
Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by ziddoap on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @01:34PM (#42856064)
While I agree with you, that's why they are a starting point for someone looking to stand up a program, not an end point.

And, from my experience, many of the trainings that seem almost offensively easy to me (e.g. "How to read a URL") have been some of the ones that received the most positive feedback from non-technical departments.

The real key with security awareness training is ensuring the training is at the appropriate level of complexity for the trainee.

Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by transcriptase on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @02:41PM (#42856950)
One way to relieve the boredom is to count the number of times you see the people in videos typing away on desktops/monitors with no cables plugged into them.
Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by datavirtue on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @08:38PM (#42860456)
KnowBe4 is awesome. It trains everyone to be on the lookout. The penalty for barely screwing up is another boring training session that no one has time for. Very painful. Pain is a great teacher.
Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by stevenicr on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @04:56PM (#42871740)
Very glad to these options and how they can be perceived by people, this should mean there are paths and that if they can be made better / different for different audiences that they may be well received.

Appreciate you and @ziddoap offering insight!

Looking at starting deck for FTC issues, Hipaa issues, and Google's policies - all for websites and apps specifically very soon and let the videos / webinars / interactive / discussions grow from here.

Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by infogulch on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @12:57PM (#42855597)
So the answer is to put the same kind of onerous penalties that companies pay for leaking healthcare data and apply them to any PII / user data. If it can't hit the bottom line bigcorps don't care; liability is the only language they understand.
Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by theoreticalmal on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @03:05PM (#42857270)
Then I (a normal user) find myself in the position of my data being stolen/mishandled AND have to either pay for it via increase fees, or my healthcare provider goes belly-up and I have to find a new one.
Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by reaperducer on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @01:50PM (#42856295)
So the answer is to put the same kind of onerous penalties that companies pay for leaking healthcare data and apply them to any PII / user data

Then you get people on HN shouting "regulatory capture!" and "stifling innovation!"

Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by infogulch on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @03:46PM (#42857739)
Yeah it sucks, but what can you do when you have titanic amoral agents stomping through society? You gotta speak their language. Maybe scale the penalty with the size of the company.
Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by jjmarr on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @04:39PM (#42858410)
You have to provide your email to sign up for HN, however, it is not publicly visible. If YCombinator had to pay $10,000 for leaking a user email, this site isn't going to exist since it's not their core business and represents a huge liability.

It's also disproportionate. If my email is leaked in the context of receiving treatment for a stigmatized disease, that's a lot worse than an MMORPG leaking my real name.

Maybe some penalty is necessary but $10k or above per user is disproportionate for the vast majority of people. A $50/person penalty with gradations for sensitivity of the information is going to work better in practice. If leaking an SSN is more expensive than an email or site-specific ID, corporations might stop using SSNs to identify people to reduce their exposure

Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @04:43AM (#42863207)
Have the C-suite hand back their compensation above minimum wage for the last 3 years. Fine the company, all profits, or a percentage of global revenue (and pay that back to customers).

If the outcome of ignoring data security is to not make any money then companies will actually do something about it.

Penalities should push the company to the point of failing.

Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by robertlagrant on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @04:54PM (#42858549)
> Then you get people on HN shouting "regulatory capture!" and "stifling innovation!"

You phrasing it like this is not a substitute for explaining why it wouldn't be those things.

Also, the most obvious thing is: if you're a healthcare provider, you would probably hire some hackers to go after your competition, and let heavy-handed fines take them down. Much easier than providing better value.

Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by terribleperson on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @11:23PM (#42861494)
Wouldn't that strongly incentivize companies to secure their data better, thereby achieving the goal?
Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by robertlagrant on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @06:25AM (#42863767)
It might achieve that goal, at the too-high expense of other things.
Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by stackskipton on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @02:41PM (#42856948)
Except Change Healthcare got hacked, lost a ton of records and they are still operating. So those fines must be, could be up to xx,000 per person affected but in actuality, those affected will get Arbys coupon and C Suite will lose a week of yacht time.
Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by junon on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @06:50PM (#42859686)
Not even that. You always have insurance for this stuff.
Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by rendaw on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @09:14PM (#42860707)
But then the insurance company has to pay, and they'll work hard to make sure it doesn't happen. This doesn't sound like an explanation to me.
Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by junon on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @02:34AM (#42862531)
You don't really have a choice, you have to have insurance for breaches (HIPAA term, not strictly the typical cybersec term, means any loss of control of information that results in potential of dissemination of PII).
Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by somehnguy on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @09:55PM (#42860975)
I didn’t even get an Arby’s coupon.

I got a letter telling me they gave away my information with a link to an “identity monitoring” site that looks like the CEOs nephew built in a weekend and just errors out when I sign up.

Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by ycombinatrix on Friday January 31, 2025 @05:27AM (#42886381)
I'd honestly prefer an Arby's coupon or perhaps a crisp $1 note over "1 year subscription to our credit monitoring service"
Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by pyuser583 on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @07:44PM (#42860059)
Yeah I got those trainings when I was merely healthcare adjacent adjacent adjacent.
Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by plagiarist on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @07:56PM (#42860150)
It turns out HIPAA is a pretty good incentive to do the right thing, and the key difference is that there are actual consequences for violating HIPAA.

Even better, the consequences are stronger in the event that the company obviously wasn't giving a fuck about security.

I wish we had HIPAA for all PII.

Re:FTC Takes Action Against GoDaddy for Alleged Lax Data Sec... by esafak on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @08:06PM (#42860212)
But it does slow things down. Startups don't want to deal with that stuff. So they'd have to outsource it. I'm not sure how.