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Re:The Alpha Myth: How captive wolves led us astray by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @02:54AM (#42849911)
> interesting how much of what we consider "human nature" is just us reacting to the cages we put ourselves in?

Or that we aren't dogs. Chimpanzees do have an alpha male who commonly achieves his role through violence.

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Re:The Alpha Myth: How captive wolves led us astray by eleveriven on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @02:59AM (#42849947)
But their (Chimpanzees') social dynamics aren’t solely based on violence
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Re:The Alpha Myth: How captive wolves led us astray by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @03:01AM (#42849955)
> their (Chimpanzees') social dynamics aren’t solely based on violence

Correct. A book on Chimpanzees was connected to human nature by a reviewer in the Chicago Tribune, a 1999 Time article and the obviously totally-scientific pick-up book The Game [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_and_beta_male

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Re:The Alpha Myth: How captive wolves led us astray by psychoslave on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @06:44AM (#42851294)
Humans can also exhibit behaviors closer to those of Bonobos.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11128

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Re:The Alpha Myth: How captive wolves led us astray by red-iron-pine on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @04:18PM (#42871296)
not solely through violence. alpha chimps are often big, but not necessarily the biggest.

best way I've heard it explained: the alpha chimp usually does the most grooming of other chimps of any of the males in the troop.

they're out there making deals and building relationships. tough guys can try to overpower those so the top chimp also gotta be tough enough to stand up, but it's as much about relationships as it is about muscles

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