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Re:Openhaystack: Build 'AirTags' – track Bluetooth devices v... by haliskerbas on Sunday January 26, 2025 @08:37PM (#42836397)
Haven’t done the research but I wonder if you can use this to piggyback with tiny arbitrary data data payloads.
Re:Openhaystack: Build 'AirTags' – track Bluetooth devices v... by nik282000 on Sunday January 26, 2025 @08:47PM (#42836467)
Yup, there was a project recently that used the airtag network to transmit data from a hardware keylogger. The computer could be totally gapped and the data still gets home via the typist's iPhone.
Re:Openhaystack: Build 'AirTags' – track Bluetooth devices v... by 3eb7988a1663 on Sunday January 26, 2025 @09:20PM (#42836684)
I am guessing this is the story: Keylogger leaks data via Apple AirTag network https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38126302
Re:Openhaystack: Build 'AirTags' – track Bluetooth devices v... by xuki on Sunday January 26, 2025 @09:26PM (#42836724)
It's not airgapped if it has bluetooth access.
Re:Openhaystack: Build 'AirTags' – track Bluetooth devices v... by roywiggins on Sunday January 26, 2025 @09:31PM (#42836777)
Presumably you stick the bluetooth antenna in the physical keylogger.
Re:Openhaystack: Build 'AirTags' – track Bluetooth devices v... by nissarup on Monday January 27, 2025 @01:26AM (#42838021)
Sounds like a line from a conversation between a couple of pre-teen AIs.
Re:Openhaystack: Build 'AirTags' – track Bluetooth devices v... by LelouBil on Sunday January 26, 2025 @09:24PM (#42836716)
I saw someone use this to track his mail state. They have a contact sensor inside their mailbox that rotates the broadcasted key based on the trigger count.

If the key changed, aka a new different device is visible, you know mail has been dropped in, very clever !

Re:Openhaystack: Build 'AirTags' – track Bluetooth devices v... by teruakohatu on Monday January 27, 2025 @12:39AM (#42837781)
That is a fascinating project. Here is the link if anyone else is interested:

https://hackaday.com/2022/05/30/check-your-mailbox-using-the...

I wonder if the creator had neighbourhood style mailboxes down the road? If not this seems quite complicated solution for an object that is probably with range even BLE.

I tried building a mail sensor a couple of years ago where the mailbox was a fair distance from where I was living. I was not able to create a solution that didn't either have false positives or false negatives. For an outdoor object jostled by wind and rain it is harder than it seems.

Re:Openhaystack: Build 'AirTags' – track Bluetooth devices v... by miki123211 on Monday January 27, 2025 @03:56AM (#42838878)
I wish we had more / more easily accessible networks that let you do this.

Something that would let you send extremely tiny (<1kB) packets, using a wireless protocol that could be implemented extremely cheaply, piggybacking on the bandwidth of nearby internet-connected devices in a privacy-preserving way.

Amazon has a network like this called Sidewalk, using Alexa devices as gateways, but I don't think it's very open to third-party experimentation, and it's definitely not an interoperable standard on the gateway side.

Re:Openhaystack: Build 'AirTags' – track Bluetooth devices v... by amenghra on Monday January 27, 2025 @11:18AM (#42842673)
Too bad Fon didn’t work out, it could have been a global mesh network useful for this kind of thing.
Re:Openhaystack: Build 'AirTags' – track Bluetooth devices v... by bhelkey on Monday January 27, 2025 @12:09PM (#42843247)
I don't particularly want my devices transmitting arbitrary packets from unknown parties.
Re:Openhaystack: Build 'AirTags' – track Bluetooth devices v... by darknavi on Monday January 27, 2025 @12:12PM (#42843294)
Starlink's Swarm (or what ever they are calling it now) might be nice if they ever release the hardware and pricing.
Re:Openhaystack: Build 'AirTags' – track Bluetooth devices v... by Tijdreiziger on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:12PM (#42845676)
How about LoRaWAN?