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Re:ADL condemns Musk's Nazi "jokes" after salute controversy by CamperBob2 on Saturday January 25, 2025 @10:27AM (#42822146)
This sort of thing is usually a distraction... in this case, distraction from a raft of rushed, questionable executive orders and paralyzingly-incompetent cabinet nominations. The jokes feel like a half-hearted acknowledgement that his salutes didn't raise the noise floor enough.

Musk is showing Trump his willingness to play the kayfabe game. It is a rational move on his part, sadly, because his businesses are so critically-dependent on a good working relationship with Federal power.

He probably isn't really a Nazi. That would imply that he considers himself to be part of something larger than himself. As Vonnegut said, though, we should be careful about what we pretend to be, because that's what we tend to become.

Re:ADL condemns Musk's Nazi "jokes" after salute controversy by Zigurd on Saturday January 25, 2025 @11:20AM (#42822517)
That's a lot of analysis to excuse the overt use of a Nazi symbol/gesture. Most of the time things are as they appear to be.
Re:ADL condemns Musk's Nazi "jokes" after salute controversy by CamperBob2 on Saturday January 25, 2025 @02:05PM (#42823740)
If you think I'm "excusing" it, or that I'm questioning whether he really meant to perform Nazi salutes, then I'm not doing a good job making my point. Still, I'm trying to lend as much good faith to the topic as I can manage.

Bottom line, if he were actually interested in Nazism as an ethos, I don't think he would publicize it. Not at this stage, anyway. If you could actually ask Fr. Occam what he thinks about Musk, he'd probably say, "He just gets off on shit-stirring, that's all."

In that respect, he has found a kindred spirit in Trump, and he rationally sees an alliance as the only way to keep his business interests healthy over the next several years.

Steve Bannon's dictum still holds sway, even if the man himself is on the outs with Trump: "The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit.” Say what you will about Musk, he's really good at that.

Re:ADL condemns Musk's Nazi "jokes" after salute controversy by Zigurd on Saturday January 25, 2025 @02:41PM (#42824103)
Based on the solid wall of text I see that you continue to admire Steve bannon's technique. Good job.
Re:ADL condemns Musk's Nazi "jokes" after salute controversy by CamperBob2 on Saturday January 25, 2025 @02:44PM (#42824128)
There are other sites where you might be happier, if you don't want to share your own perspective here.
Re:ADL condemns Musk's Nazi "jokes" after salute controversy by tim333 on Sunday January 26, 2025 @05:05AM (#42829116)
Interesting thing in his background. Apparently his mum's parents were Hitler supporters and moved to South Africa from Canada as it was too liberal. Musk's dad talking about it: https://youtu.be/B6e1ES4MLD0?t=200
Re:ADL condemns Musk's Nazi "jokes" after salute controversy by rexpop on Sunday January 26, 2025 @09:07PM (#42836600)
Was Musk named "the Elon" after Nazi Werner von Braun's fictional Martian colonial leader?
Re:ADL condemns Musk's Nazi "jokes" after salute controversy by tim333 on Monday January 27, 2025 @10:21AM (#42842018)
Yup, he was.
Re:ADL condemns Musk's Nazi "jokes" after salute controversy by Zigurd on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @09:37AM (#42865358)
But the ms went unpublished until 2006, according to wikipedia. Supposedly the book was excerpted in a Sunday supplement magazine, but only in US newspapers. Mysterious!
Re:ADL condemns Musk's Nazi "jokes" after salute controversy by rexpop on Friday January 31, 2025 @08:19PM (#42894630)
Unpublished in English, perhaps.

There's a clip of Elon's dad saying that his caretaker had read the book to him, translating along the way, and so he'd known the name. It also coincides with an in-law's name, so he took that coincidence as a sign. But Errol really did say that the name came from the book.

Re:ADL condemns Musk's Nazi "jokes" after salute controversy by lawn on Saturday January 25, 2025 @02:08PM (#42823770)
> He probably isn't really a Nazi.

He's been promoting Nazist ideas for a year.

And he took part in the AfD's big meeting (you know, the closest thing to a modern Nazi Party in Germany) downplaying what the Nazis did.

If he acts like a Nazi then we need to call him a Nazi and stop coming up with weird excuses for him.

Re:ADL condemns Musk's Nazi "jokes" after salute controversy by dzhiurgis on Saturday January 25, 2025 @03:49PM (#42824730)
Stopping illegal immigration is Nazi?

Try moving in Japan, Australia or NZ then to find out how nazi they are.

Re:ADL condemns Musk's Nazi "jokes" after salute controversy by CamperBob2 on Saturday January 25, 2025 @02:15PM (#42823841)
Fact is, AfD is not a Nazi party, or they would be illegal in Germany. They are far right, and could easily evolve into a neo-Nazi party. But you need to check a plurality of certain boxes to be considered a Nazi, and right now they don't check that many of them.

It is true that Musk himself is checking more and more of them every day, though.

Re:ADL condemns Musk's Nazi "jokes" after salute controversy by lawn on Saturday January 25, 2025 @02:27PM (#42823969)
Yes, that's why I wrote as close as possible. I'd say that they (and some of their leaders in particular) have very close ties to neo-Nazi ideology.