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Re:Citations on the Anthropic API by simonw on Thursday January 23, 2025 @07:53PM (#42809548)
Why is that useless?

If you want reliable citations, this is an API that can help you implement reliable citations.

Asking a model to return useful citations from its model weights with no assistance from external systems isn't how this stuff works.

Re:Citations on the Anthropic API by robwwilliams on Thursday January 23, 2025 @08:10PM (#42809627)
Ditto: RAGs are currently way too limited. A RAG built using all of PubMed and updated weekly would be a very different story. I would pay good money for that.
Re:Citations on the Anthropic API by 4ad on Thursday January 23, 2025 @08:06PM (#42809605)
If I had the stuff to feed into the LLM context, I wouldn't need the LLM to find the stuff for me because I would already have it.
Re:Citations on the Anthropic API by dllthomas on Thursday January 23, 2025 @08:42PM (#42809794)
"Completely useless" might be too strong. In a context where you're already doing RAG it would help you verify what's produced.

Certainly it's radically less useful than if it could produce citations to the training set, though.

Re:Citations on the Anthropic API by simonw on Thursday January 23, 2025 @09:29PM (#42809997)
Sounds to me like you want a search engine, not an LLM.
Re:Citations on the Anthropic API by dragonwriter on Thursday January 23, 2025 @10:51PM (#42810339)
Typically, you wouldn't manually select the documents in a query, you’d use this as part of a system wrapped around the LLM where a query (possibly itself from the model like other tool invocations) would be sent out to a web api, vectord DB, etc., return documents that would be fed back in to the model as part of a continuation query, and then the model would frame a response citing the relevant sources for elements of the response.
Re:Citations on the Anthropic API by vunderba on Friday January 24, 2025 @01:20PM (#42815760)
Patently untrue. If I have hundreds of PDF research papers totaling thousands of pages - just because I have them doesn't necessarily mean I know where to search. Having an LLM be able to find related pieces across all of these documents and extrapolate is tremendously useful.
Re:Citations on the Anthropic API by 4ad on Friday January 24, 2025 @02:15PM (#42816137)
A thousand pages is something reviewable by hand (albeit slowly) and easily amendable to grep. Anything that trivially fits in computer memory doesn't benefit from approximate search methods. I stand by what I said.