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Re:Mastercard DNS Error Went Unnoticed for Years by sdwr on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @03:19PM (#42797036)
> Some guy is poking around our system looking for exploitable weaknesses. Should we tell him to go away?

> Nah, let's pay him instead!

is a solution, but obviously can't be the solution. From a distance, white hat "vulnerability disclosures" start to look like a protection racket.

Re:Mastercard DNS Error Went Unnoticed for Years by taatof on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @03:39PM (#42797235)
> From a distance, white hat "vulnerability disclosures" start to look like a protection racket.

A pretty big distance.

If a mobster threatens to burn down a building unless you buy their "insurance", that's a protection racket.

If someone finds a major fire code violation and threatens to tell the fire marshal about it unless they fix it within a certain timeframe, that's not a protection racket, even though there's technically a threat involved. If the building owner is a dick about it, then next time that person will probably just go directly to the fire marshal.

Re:Mastercard DNS Error Went Unnoticed for Years by sdwr on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @05:09PM (#42798054)
If the reporter is trying to get paid for not reporting, that's blackmail. If the blackmail is organized, it's a racket.

Plus, if the attack surface is huge and/or fractal, you will never run out of exploits. The more you pay people to find them, the harder they look...

Re:Mastercard DNS Error Went Unnoticed for Years by taatof on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @06:15PM (#42798543)
> If the reporter is trying to get paid for not reporting, that's blackmail.

That's not what happened here and isn't usually what happens, though? The reporter usually gives a timeline for fixing the bug before reporting externally, and often extends that deadline if it's clear the Company is working on it. This is separate from bug bounty payments.

> The more you pay people to find them, the harder they look...

Yeah... that's the point...

Re:Mastercard DNS Error Went Unnoticed for Years by lodovic on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:33AM (#42801289)
People will look for bugs regardless, better incentivize them to report to you first
Re:Mastercard DNS Error Went Unnoticed for Years by JacobThreeThree on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @03:43PM (#42797278)
Not to mention, short term cost cutting is what ever business tends to prioritize. Companies would prefer not to pay anyone for anything, including random "researchers".
Re:Mastercard DNS Error Went Unnoticed for Years by neilv on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @04:20PM (#42797652)
I agree that you don't want to create a protection racket market, and that's what I was thinking when I said "being alerted to their own security mess-ups".

Your own staff and vendors are creating security vulnerabilities, and you wisely run a bounty program, to detect and alert you. And you only pay when they find a problem. It can be very economical hedge against both mistakes and systemic dysfunction.

Also, if the researchers were criminally-inclined, they could make more money selling vulnerabilities to someone, not alerting you.