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Re:CapCut hit by US ban – in unrelated news, Instagram revea... by JCharante on Monday January 20, 2025 @11:37PM (#42776685)
I like it. “You ban ours and we’ll ban yours” type of approach
Re:CapCut hit by US ban – in unrelated news, Instagram revea... by kelseyfrog on Monday January 20, 2025 @11:46PM (#42776728)
As a parent, this kind of behavior leads to escalation and is indicative of adolescents in grades K-6. Usually people grow out of it before they reach adulthood.

Our ability to suppress our desire for revenge is what makes society work.

Re:CapCut hit by US ban – in unrelated news, Instagram revea... by cmonreally123 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @12:34AM (#42776946)
Usually adults both work together and play by the same rules, no? Is China working together in cases outside of this?

In prisoners dilemma tit for tat is a winning strategy for a reason.

Re:CapCut hit by US ban – in unrelated news, Instagram revea... by lblume on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @01:44AM (#42777256)
Tit for tat is not a winning strategy in the game theoretical iterated prisoner's dilemma. It is a winning strategy in a competition between strategies, but the incentives of these competitions do not align with the actual game.

In fact, the strategy by definition never leads to a win and is weakly dominated by just never cooperating.

Re:CapCut hit by US ban – in unrelated news, Instagram revea... by kelseyfrog on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @01:42AM (#42777245)
No, we judge the rules based on merit. If the other person kicks you out, you don't usually follow suit blindly by applying their rules to them. That is following other people's rules rather than your own and lacks integrity.
Re:CapCut hit by US ban – in unrelated news, Instagram revea... by esperent on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @03:09AM (#42777633)
I think the characterizion of this as tit for tat lacks nuance. If you look at China's actions over the last while, in the South China sea, in regards to Taiwan, banning western apps, "accidentally" damaging subsea cables, industrial espionage at huge scale, and probably a thousand other small and large things I don't know about: if we put this into human terms, it's like a child who is constantly testing you and pushing the boundaries to see what they can get away with.

The correct thing to do in this case, as an adult, is to have firm boundaries and push back strongly but fairly whenever they are crossed.

However, while it's an interesting thought experiment, anthropomorphasizing nation states in this way will only get you so far. China is not a child, nor is the USA, and they're not adults either. While it does sometimes seem apt, the concept of maturity, in human development terms, cannot be applied here.

Re:CapCut hit by US ban – in unrelated news, Instagram revea... by kelseyfrog on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @11:16AM (#42781800)
The concept of maturity is for us. We have the freedom to choose what we believe about the actions of nations. Besides a nation cannot do anything without the actions of people.

We conveniently describe people's actions as being of a nation, but we should be careful in not taking this too literally. It's a convenient linguistic device that doesn't reflect the reality that underlying all national action is the action of people.

Re:CapCut hit by US ban – in unrelated news, Instagram revea... by Razengan on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @04:33AM (#42778057)
A better answer would have been to develop some kind of decentralized censorship-resistant worldwide network, but that wouldn't have served the "iNtErEsTs" of the people wanting to maintain power over civilians.
Re:CapCut hit by US ban – in unrelated news, Instagram revea... by throw2837383 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:49AM (#42780692)
Do they ban our apps? How come all of Apple's and Microsoft's apps can work there?
Re:CapCut hit by US ban – in unrelated news, Instagram revea... by willy_k on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @04:57PM (#42785607)