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Re:I Met Paul Graham Once by CPLX on Monday January 20, 2025 @05:49PM (#42774051)
> At least we got some good universities out of the 19th century iteration.

You mean the ones that turned around and produced the current market fundamentalist and elite-run culture we have today?

What a coincidence.

Re:I Met Paul Graham Once by musicale on Monday January 20, 2025 @05:57PM (#42774140)
And the modern generation of tech industrialists? Probably not a coincidence either.

Though technically universities are more than just their endowments, business schools, engineering schools, sports teams, etc. They often have pretty good libraries, for example. Many universities also provide a variety of educational and course materials for free over the internet. Some train physicians and operate hospitals. And many universities have at least some minimal diversity of opinion on politics and policies.

The idea that elite universities produce elite university graduates is probably not controversial, and many of them were founded with the idea of producing "leaders", which they have arguably done.

Re:I Met Paul Graham Once by dgfitz on Monday January 20, 2025 @07:32PM (#42774880)
> The idea that elite universities produce elite university graduates is probably not controversial…

Isn’t it?

Re:I Met Paul Graham Once by chrisweekly on Monday January 20, 2025 @08:02PM (#42775129)
No, it's a statement of fact, akin to "universities produce graduates".
Re:I Met Paul Graham Once by bryanrasmussen on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @01:27AM (#42777191)
well this

{elite universities} produce {elite university} graduates

is of course tautological

but this

elite universities produce university graduates who are elite (meaning better than others)

is debatable.

Most people who say "elite universities produce elite university graduates" mean the second and then don't provide any especially great arguments for the opinion.

Re:I Met Paul Graham Once by dgfitz on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @06:58PM (#42786854)
The only thing elite universities provide is, possibly, “elite” connections. The education is the same, you get out of it what you put into it.

The state schools of the US aren’t worse than Stanford or Harvard, you pay extra to hang out with people who can also afford to pay extra.

The college education system in the US is second only to the healthcare system in terms of “how fucked this system truly is” metric.

Re:I Met Paul Graham Once by intended on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @12:16AM (#42776879)
I had to check up what market fundamentalism meant, just to be sure. Aside from the libertarian crowd, no else in the fundamentalist camp (Exact definition - full support for unregulated markets), is there?

Would you agree/disagree with: “Elite run culture is a side effect of wealth concentration, and the removal of options for money to collect or be generated in the middle of the pyramid.”