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Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by seabass-labrax on Sunday January 19, 2025 @09:05PM (#42764245)
> Talk too much about these things and you're probably getting sent to prison.

This trope is getting a bit ridiculous. For the record, the event that inspired the notion that complaining online could get you sent to person involved individuals encouraging the public to burn down council offices[1] and a hotel[2].

Conspiracy to commit arson has been one of the most serious offences in English law for centuries, and that's even before you add the murder part to it.

[1]: https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/man-jailed-7-half-years-e...

[2]: https://www.nottinghamshire.police.uk/news/nottinghamshire/n...

PS. I am nonetheless aware that we burnt down the White House. On behalf of Britain, sorry about that.

Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by Duwensatzaj on Monday January 20, 2025 @12:17AM (#42765206)
Google’s not pulling it up but I swear I read about police visitations for immigration criticism that didn’t involve calls for murder or arson.

The UK arrests people for writing the n-word on Twitter https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/black-twitter-ra... or praying silently near abortion clinics. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g9kp7r00vo so it’s not exactly a stretch.

Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by Xmd5a on Monday January 20, 2025 @01:36AM (#42765627)
Here's one:

As relayed by Russian propaganda outlets: https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1820724008637063664

Reuters fact check: https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-arrest-over-faceboo...

>VERDICT Missing context. The clip shows a June 2024 arrest, according to Devon and Cornwall Police, and predates the Southport knife attack by around a month.

Hence not debunked (a strategy we're used too).

Times article on the subject: https://archive.ph/3OkeG Police arresting nine people a day in fight against web trolls

>More than 3,300 people were detained and questioned last year over so-called trolling on social media and other online forums, a rise of nearly 50 per cent in two years, according to figures obtained by The Times.

>About half of the investigations were dropped before prosecutions were brought, however, leading to criticism from civil liberties campaigners that the authorities are over-policing the internet and threatening free speech.

>Jim Killock, executive director of the Open Rights Group, said the Crown Prosecution Service emphasised section 127 was to be used only in “extreme circumstances”. “But the problem is ‘grossly offensive’ is not something you should normally be prosecuted for. It’s not showing harm to other people. It’s not showing that somebody is being harassed ... attacked or threatened.”

Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by wakawaka28 on Monday January 20, 2025 @02:03AM (#42765776)
This gaslighting is getting a bit ridiculous. The oppression did not start in the wake of Southport, it has been in place for years. But I'm going to talk about Southport first. People were arrested for pointing out that the Southport murderer was a Muslim terrorist. Well guess what, he was: https://news.sky.com/story/southport-stabbings-suspect-faces... The media said it was all disinformation and put forth many straw man claims to smear people who are fed up with their government covering for the crimes for immigrants.

>Conspiracy to commit arson has been one of the most serious offences in English law for centuries, and that's even before you add the murder part to it.

I'm not defending conspiracy to commit arson. It is a fact that people have been jailed for far less serious things. I heard some reports that people were jailed for recording the riots or even posting about the existence of the riots.

Nevermind arson, Britain jails people for flame wars online: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2017/10/14/british-police-a... And that is OLD, and nothing has changed. I hear regular reports of absurd arrests coming out of the UK.

As the article says, "section 127 of the Communications Act 2003, [...] makes it illegal to intentionally “cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another”" and that can be and regularly is used to punch down on people expressing simple grievances. It is entirely subjective what causes "annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety" or is intended to do so. Our mere existence probably causes annoyance and inconvenience to some people. Got a problem with immigrants who don't respect your culture and disproportionately commit all the crimes? Well, it is going to cause some brown people to be anxious if you talk about it, so off to the slammer you go. That is truly how it goes, unless you're in a good position to fend off political attacks.

Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by switch007 on Monday January 20, 2025 @03:56AM (#42766466)
> This gaslighting is getting a bit ridiculous

Totally agree

They always take the extreme part of your posts, find a minor counter claim, then imply we have total free speech

Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by youngtaff on Monday January 20, 2025 @05:39AM (#42767239)
He wasn't a Muslim he was brought up a Christian!

The rumours were he was an asylum seeker who came over on a boat

But as you end up quoting Breitbart what hope is there

Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by wakawaka28 on Monday January 20, 2025 @08:54AM (#42768747)
Just because someone was "brought up as a Christian" doesn't mean they are one. And he WAS a terrorist or wannabe terrorist, as evidenced by everything said in that article. You're over here whining about Breitbart as your neighbors are being jailed for merely talking about these issues in a way that displeases your overlords.
Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by youngtaff on Monday January 20, 2025 @10:09AM (#42769470)
Just because he was a wannabe terrorist doesn't make him a Muslim which what you claimed

The people who were jailed were generally jailed for rioting and incitement to riot

Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by wakawaka28 on Monday January 20, 2025 @12:40PM (#42771062)
He was at least Muslim-adjacent, I think we can agree. Does it matter? Immigrant with ties to Al Qaida plots terror attack and actually murders people, comment section screaming "Ackshually he was not proven to be a Muslim" for real...

>The people who were jailed were generally jailed for rioting and incitement to riot

And I'm sure that given that officials gave many of them a year in prison, just a week after arrest, and after letting real criminals out to make room in the prisons, and after promising to make examples of them, means justice was served. Give me a break. Obviously the authorities can claim that anything calmly painting immigrants or even known criminals in a bad light is inciting a riot. It means nothing when laws are as screwed up as they are in the UK.

Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by youngtaff on Monday January 20, 2025 @01:01PM (#42771301)
The people released were nearing the release point of the sentence and many would have been released due to prison overcrowding anyway

People trying to burn down hotels with migrants in or wanting to attack Mosques, and those encouraging are real criminals too you know

And he wasn't an immigrant, he was born in Cardiff!

Rather than casting vague assertions about the role of the authorities you can go read why people were jailed as it's public record

Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by wakawaka28 on Monday January 20, 2025 @02:30PM (#42772165)
>And he wasn't an immigrant, he was born in Cardiff!

Minor children of immigrants count as immigrants as well IMO.

>Rather than casting vague assertions about the role of the authorities you can go read why people were jailed as it's public record

I've seen enough examples of BS to not trust your system, the reporting, or even most court records. I also don't have time to go read a ton of legal transcripts in other countries. The fact that many people that have been arrested for being perceived as rude online or in person is all I need to prove my point.

Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by youngtaff on Monday January 20, 2025 @04:13PM (#42773116)
So you don’t live in Britain but are claiming to be knowledgeable about what happened here!

And when challenged you decide to produce your own definitions of things… when are you deporting Melina and Barron?

Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by wakawaka28 on Monday January 20, 2025 @10:15PM (#42776100)
I'm not making up new definitions, I'm merely pointing out that first generation offspring of immigrants are likely to not be fully assimilated. In fact, the Southport event more or less proves that. Try to understand what I'm saying instead of being so pedantic.

I don't need to live in Britain to have a clue what's going on there. In fact, given the censorship your people are subject to, I think I could plausibly know more about what is going on than you do. There is approximately zero risk of me going to a British prison for calling it like I see it.

>And when challenged you decide to produce your own definitions of things… when are you deporting Melina and Barron?

It should go without saying that these people are legally entitled to be here for many reasons and also well-adjusted citizens. They are fluent in English, which is more than can be said of a lot of other immigrants. Most importantly of all, they aren't taking anyone's jobs or welfare benefits, or committing any crimes whatsoever. Even if they were, you can't revoke someone's citizenship even for being a criminal. That's why people need to be carefully vetted before letting them into the country. If someone is from a place that is radically different from your country, maybe they need to be scrutinized a bit more.

Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by youngtaff on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @05:02AM (#42778284)
Perhaps you’ve been spending too much time with conspiracy theories

Your view of Britain and what life is like here is very wrong

Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by wakawaka28 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:18AM (#42779773)
Bruh I've seen videos of people being arrested for merely insulting other people in Britain, or for carrying simple knives. Perhaps it is you that has very wrong ideas about the degree of freedom you actually have in Britain.
Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by youngtaff on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @01:20PM (#42783492)
Carrying a knife in a public place without a lawful excuse is a crime in the UK so it’s not surprising you’ve seen videos of people being arrested for carrying knives

As for your interpretation of insulting they’ve probably been arrested for breach of the peace or aggravation of some form

Those are all fair… and about safe and civil societies

At least we can’t be arrested for crossing the road in the wrong place and we can drink at a reasonable age

Oh and I ain’t you bruh

Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by wakawaka28 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @02:52PM (#42784491)
Yeah I know carrying a knife is a crime in the UK. It's stupid as fuck. You can carry a knife, sword, or full on rifle down the sidewalk the US. You might get harassed by curious cops but it's legal nearly everywhere.

>Those are all fair… and about safe and civil societies

Nothing safe and civil about denying people the only means possible for them to fend off a group of attackers, or denying free speech to people.

>At least we can’t be arrested for crossing the road in the wrong place and we can drink at a reasonable age

Haha yeah the drinking thing is stupid in the US. Jaywalking is rarely enforced unless you are suspected of a serious crime, or else running across a high-speed road in plain view of cops.

Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by youngtaff on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:56PM (#42806869)
We have free speech in the UK but it comes with responsibility

Weapons don’t allow you to defend yourself… if that was true the number of gun deaths in the US would be lower