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Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by lokar on Sunday January 19, 2025 @05:53PM (#42762924)
The president takes an oath to see that the laws are enforced
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by ModernMech on Sunday January 19, 2025 @06:11PM (#42763101)
Serious question, how does that compel the president to enforce laws?
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by lokar on Sunday January 19, 2025 @06:15PM (#42763127)
You would need some party with standing to ask a court to intervene
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by ModernMech on Sunday January 19, 2025 @07:59PM (#42763848)
But say through some process a court intervenes. There's no actual way for the court to compel him to do anything.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by JumpCrisscross on Sunday January 19, 2025 @09:17PM (#42764311)
> no actual way for the court to compel him to do anything

PAFACA was written (I didn’t name it) to command the operators of app stores and hosting companies. They’re the ones accruing liability. The President can ignore the law, but Apple and Google will accrue liabilities until the statute of limitations starts voiding them.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by ModernMech on Sunday January 19, 2025 @09:56PM (#42764527)
But the accrued liability means nothing if the president agrees he won't prosecute them, right?
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by JumpCrisscross on Monday January 20, 2025 @07:25AM (#42767981)
> the accrued liability means nothing if the president agrees he won't prosecute them, right?

No.

One, our country has a rich tradition of third parties suing to compel the enforcement of laws. Two, we also have a rich tradition of successive presidents enforcing laws their predecessors didn't.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by ModernMech on Monday January 20, 2025 @10:09AM (#42769471)
But again, how does a lawsuit compel the president to do anything? They can’t arrest or fine him. Ignoring the lawsuit is legal according to the Supreme Court decision in July.

And as for the next president, well, he would just have to tell byte dance what his price is to allow them to operate.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by JumpCrisscross on Monday January 20, 2025 @11:02AM (#42769944)
> how does a lawsuit compel the president to do anything? They can’t arrest or fine him

Courts can compel the app stores to de-list. The President doesn’t need to personally enforce every law in the land.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by ModernMech on Monday January 20, 2025 @04:14PM (#42773125)
But the court isn't going into a server room somewhere and pressing a button to take TikTok off the app store. Apple would take it down because they would incur some sort of retaliation if they didn't. But that retaliation would never come because Trump controls the enforcers, and he has directed them to ignore noncompliance with the law. So how would the court compel this behavior from Apple?
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @05:18AM (#42791192)
> that retaliation would never come because Trump controls the enforcers

Federally, only today. And federally, the judiciary has its own enforcement powers. (To say nothing of private liability caused by wilful lawbreaking, even if encouraged by the President.)

It’s why Apple and Google, informed by the most-expensive lawyers in the world, have for now de-listed TikTok.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by lokar on Monday January 20, 2025 @11:08AM (#42770010)
In the end, as long as congress won’t do their job, the president is a king.