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Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by llamaimperative on Sunday January 19, 2025 @05:03PM (#42762427)
SCOTUS, as they've done in many recent cases, is artfully skirting the substance of the issue.

How is this ban actually enforced? By fining American companies for serving specific content. That is the First Amendment issue. SCOTUS simply asserting that it's not in order to make their ruling convenient does not actually make it so.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by gsibble on Sunday January 19, 2025 @05:14PM (#42762555)
There's all kinds of content that you can get fined for hosting. Pirated movies for instance.

Is that also free speech? Again, it's just the law and how it is enforced.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by llamaimperative on Sunday January 19, 2025 @05:18PM (#42762599)
Copyright (in the US) was literally created by the same people who wrote the 1st Amendment. Copyright is in the Constitution itself. It was very obviously an exception from the start.

"Foreign governments saying things" also existed at the same time the 1st Amendment was written, and there were no carveouts from 1st Amendment in light of that.

In any case: If SCOTUS during its early cases on copyright law (or copyright on the Internet) simply asserted "this has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment," they'd also be wrong. That would be a clear avoidance tactic not to wrangle with the substantive issue. In reality, the big cases on copyright are riddled with 1st Amendment questions, considerations, and constraints.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by absolutelastone on Monday January 20, 2025 @12:11AM (#42765176)
They ban American companies from distributing or maintaining the application, not specific content. More of a "criminal conspiracy" type of behavior rather than something that would relate to wikileaks or whoever. Can as well argue what is being banned is the data-collection side of the operation since it's the part that depends on using the app. Those companies still have the freedom to publicly state whatever the CCP has to say.

The law indeed needed to be carefully written to "skirt" any first amendment violations, and SCOTUS unanimously agreed it had done so successfully.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by llamaimperative on Monday January 20, 2025 @08:54AM (#42768745)
The application itself is content from the POV of the Constitution.

Universal City Studios v Corley

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by absolutelastone on Monday January 20, 2025 @12:39PM (#42771054)
"Content" is narrower than "speech". In that case the restriction was described as "content-neutral". Hence it didn't require strict scrutiny, only intermediate scrutiny. Which seems like the blueprint for how they wrote the TikTok law.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by kelnos on Monday January 20, 2025 @02:49AM (#42766042)
> How is this ban actually enforced? By fining American companies for serving specific content.

No, it fines American companies for providing services to a certain foreign-owned company.

If this isn't permissible, then sanctions can't be a thing and OFAC can't do its job. (Whether or not that would be a good thing is a separate issue.)

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by llamaimperative on Monday January 20, 2025 @06:52AM (#42767729)
Funny that you mention that: sanction laws are also riddled with First Amendment questions, considerations, and constraints.

A SCOTUS that simply asserted these questions do not exist would also be laughable.

One very recent entry on this discourse:

https://knightcolumbia.org/content/knight-institute-and-foun...