"The Traitors", a reality TV show, offers a useful economics lesson

Re:"The Traitors", a reality TV show, offers a useful econom... by henrebotha on Sunday January 19, 2025 @08:38AM (#42756834)

Is there a term for the "I know that you know that I know…" thing? It's a fundamental part of fighting game strategy, particularly the aspect called "yomi", i.e. reading the opponent's intentions so as to preemptively counter them.

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Re:"The Traitors", a reality TV show, offers a useful econom... by Raidion on Sunday January 19, 2025 @11:07AM (#42758216)

In poker it's called levels. Fighter pilots call it being inside the other persons OODA loop.

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Re:"The Traitors", a reality TV show, offers a useful econom... by gcanyon on Sunday January 19, 2025 @09:46AM (#42757450)

Rick vs. Heistotron (starts with an annoying pre-roll, hence the start-at-9-seconds parameter) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyOAxh4Iybg&t=9

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Re:"The Traitors", a reality TV show, offers a useful econom... by nothrabannosir on Sunday January 19, 2025 @09:26AM (#42757257)

There is a formalization using Modal Logic :) https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-modal/#Games

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Re:"The Traitors", a reality TV show, offers a useful econom... by _dark_matter_ on Sunday January 19, 2025 @08:44AM (#42756882)

This could go on indefinitely ("I know that you know that I know that you know that I know that..."). I always consider this related to the Byzantine Generals problem.

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Re:"The Traitors", a reality TV show, offers a useful econom... by henrebotha on Sunday January 19, 2025 @08:55AM (#42756967)

Yes and somewhat infamously in the fighting game context, high level players can sometimes psych themselves out completely in the heat of the moment, trying to recursively parse the infinite stack of reads and just completely bluescreening and getting hit by the most obvious option possible.

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Re:"The Traitors", a reality TV show, offers a useful econom... by dooglius on Sunday January 19, 2025 @09:10AM (#42757112)

The term for an infinitely deep chain of that is "common knowledge"

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Re:"The Traitors", a reality TV show, offers a useful econom... by mjburgess on Sunday January 19, 2025 @10:46AM (#42758012)

Theory of mind

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Re:"The Traitors", a reality TV show, offers a useful econom... by Fearlesspancake on Sunday January 19, 2025 @02:17PM (#42760585)

In forum mafia this is called "Wine in front of me", or WIFOM[0], referencing the Princess Bride scene[1]

[0] https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM [1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U_eZmEiyTo0

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Re:"The Traitors", a reality TV show, offers a useful econom... by randomcarbloke on Monday January 20, 2025 @04:53AM (#42766908)

the infinite regress

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