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Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by moshun on Sunday January 19, 2025 @01:57AM (#42754537)
Amazing that we don’t hear this book quoted more often along with 1984, we seem to be living funhouse versions of both.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by tsimionescu on Sunday January 19, 2025 @02:10AM (#42754605)
Note that this preface was not allowed to be published together with the book, it was censored last minute by the publishers. The public narrative about Animal Farm is almost exclusively that it is an allegory for the USSR, an attack on the false equality that they professed. The preface explaining that it's very much intended to attack the UK and more generally European and US governments' tendencies is even today not included in the vast majority of printings of Animal Farm.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by UniverseHacker on Sunday January 19, 2025 @02:18AM (#42754655)
Those publishers must have been tragically born without a sense of irony.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by ImHereToVote on Sunday January 19, 2025 @03:24AM (#42755055)
They are just practicing Oligarchical Collectivism.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by goatlover on Sunday January 19, 2025 @04:16AM (#42755367)
It's obviously a criticism of both. Orwell was not fond of the USSR either. He was not a proponent of state communism.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by tsimionescu on Sunday January 19, 2025 @05:03AM (#42755650)
Right, I should have been more clear, my comment does come off as suggesting it's not about the USSR at all, which is obviously false.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by K0nserv on Sunday January 19, 2025 @05:17AM (#42755727)
I wasn't aware of this proposed preface[0]. It's a great read and is, interestingly, somewhat applicable to the TikTok situation. However, you are incorrect, the preface does not say the book is intended as an attack on the UK, European, or US governments. What it does discuss, is how, primarily, the British intelligentsia resisted the criticism of the USSR in the book because of the wartime alliance between the UK and the USSR. The preface makes it quite clear that Animal Farm is in fact an attack on the USSR specifically.

0: https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwel...

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by K0nserv on Sunday January 19, 2025 @07:46AM (#42756519)
Actually, I'm not sure if this is the preface the OP was talking about, in fact it's not clear to me who the author of it is. There's another preface[0], from the Uranian edition of Animal Farm, that they might have been referring to.

While it does contain some criticism of the the UK, quite expected as Orwell was a socialist, it also doesn't claim that Animal Farm was really about UK, European, or US governments.

EDIT: I found the primary source[1] of the unpublished preface, it does list Orwell as its author.

0: https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwel...

1: https://archive.org/details/TheTimesLiterarySupplement1972UK...

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by yoz-y on Sunday January 19, 2025 @08:01AM (#42756615)
The book gets quoted quite enough. But quotes are really bad arguments.

Here’s one that flies in the face of the Orwell’s:

Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. [...] We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.

- Karl R. Popper

In practice we’ve seen both ways play out badly. So clearly we can’t just hope that full freedom is good, and good guys will win.

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by t0bia_s on Sunday January 19, 2025 @04:13PM (#42761892)
You misunderstood Proppers thoughts. There is interesting article about this topic.

https://www.persuasion.community/p/yes-you-do-have-to-tolera...

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by portaouflop on Sunday January 19, 2025 @08:06AM (#42756632)
To me it feels more like living in a William Gibson novel crossed with Idiocracy