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Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by paxys on Saturday January 18, 2025 @11:20PM (#42753560)
There's nothing inherently special about TikTok. It just happens to be the hot social media platform right now. There were plenty before it and there will be plenty after it. There will be a short period of adjustment and eventually everyone will move on to something else. People aren't going to stop listening to music or buying things.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by KaoruAoiShiho on Saturday January 18, 2025 @11:24PM (#42753579)
Are you sure about this? I've heard many many times that tiktok is uniquely good at discovery for new businesses.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by paxys on Saturday January 18, 2025 @11:48PM (#42753737)
Because TikTok is where the hip young demographic is. If they all move to say Instagram Reels en masse then Instagram will be the platform that is uniquely good for discovery among that audience.

And let's not pretend that TikTok is filled to the brim with high quality products and small businesses. Yes there may be a couple of feel good stories about a local pizza place or small band that got their big break because of TikTok, but 99.9% of the advertising there is for the same junk/scam products that are on every other influencer-driven app.

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by t-writescode on Saturday January 18, 2025 @11:55PM (#42753781)
How many times has YouTube recommended a your next video something with zero comments and maybe 10 views.

I cannot count how many times minute I’ve been the first to see or comment on a TikTok video.

It let small creators be shown to lots of people in a way no other platform does.

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by wilg on Sunday January 19, 2025 @12:10AM (#42753867)
YouTube does this for me relatively frequently.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by t-writescode on Sunday January 19, 2025 @12:13AM (#42753892)
Genuinely glad to hear it. I almost always get something I’ve already seen before when I let it auto-play.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by wilg on Sunday January 19, 2025 @12:22AM (#42753938)
i don't know if it does it on auto play, i typically see a "rising video" in a top slot on the homepage. i think its also based on what it thinks you might like so not everyone may get them.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by t-writescode on Sunday January 19, 2025 @12:28AM (#42753979)
I explicitly disabled YouTube’s and extra layers of tracking. Ironically, it should still be able to track off my upvoted and playlists, it just doesn’t, unless it’s playing on my TV and then suddenly it can again and that’s when I sometimes (though only hours and hours later) get new stuff.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by wilg on Sunday January 19, 2025 @12:31AM (#42754004)
if you don't save your watch history, yeah, it probably doesn't bother using you for this feature
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by t-writescode on Sunday January 19, 2025 @05:07AM (#42755674)
Maybe I should allow YT to save my watch history, then. I have found it frustrating that it refuses to use any of the other indicators (upvotes, downvotes, messages said back and forth, channels I’m subscribed to and their general type of content, etc) to curate my algorithm; but you know.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by arccy on Sunday January 19, 2025 @07:13AM (#42756362)
a well curated (pruned of anything you don't like) watch history is essential to getting a good youtube experience. it's pretty much the only signal that drives recommendations.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by t-writescode on Sunday January 19, 2025 @12:14PM (#42759006)
… why do I need to delete something, that’s frustrating :( I don’t want to need to log out and turn off my ad blockers to watch something weird or abnormal on YouTube… I pay for premium for a reason :(
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by arccy on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @05:47AM (#42778629)
there's a pause watch history button on the history page or incognito mode or just open it in an incognito window
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by Sabinus on Sunday January 19, 2025 @01:44AM (#42754424)
I think in 2024, Youtube changed the algo for the front page. Now there is almost always one video in the top two rows with tiny amounts of views. I think it came about when there were lots of complaints about discovery of niche/new stuff.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by Kiro on Sunday January 19, 2025 @04:05AM (#42755311)
Yeah, like the sibling comments I can confirm that this is a core part of the YT algorithm now and has been so for at least a year.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by paxys on Sunday January 19, 2025 @09:08AM (#42757088)
If YouTube never shows people new videos then how do new videos get views?
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by t-writescode on Sunday January 19, 2025 @04:35PM (#42762124)
New videos and “new videos from someone that’s never been seen before” or “who I’ve never seen before” are very different things.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by patwolf on Sunday January 19, 2025 @09:47AM (#42757456)
Lately I've noticed this more frequently with Shorts. It brings about an interesting dilemma because I know for the algorithm to work and benefit creators, people need to watch videos with few views. But I also don't want to spend my time to figure out if a video is worth watching for the benefit of the algorithm.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by sebmellen on Saturday January 18, 2025 @11:59PM (#42753810)
To your point, TikTok is filled with absolute trash.

For example, there’s a company called “Cerebrum IQ” which scams people out of hundreds of dollars for fake IQ tests. We are painfully aware of this issue because we own cerebrum.com, and we receive at least 100 furious support requests per day from people who have been charged $80.00+ for a subscription they never agreed to, and they somehow confuse us with “Cerebrum IQ”.

They get most of their users from TikTok ads.

We’ve reported them to TikTok many times, with no action taken. Meta at least restricted their ability to advertise.

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by gdubs on Sunday January 19, 2025 @01:45AM (#42754440)
Reels doesn't provide a true alternative because it's not about features and functionality it's about culture. The culture on Meta's Reels is really not it. And it's not just the user base but also the way the app is managed, and the algorithm.

TikTok's algorithm was amazing, as was the community.

You can't just recreate communities. They're alive, organic, fragile things.

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by devjab on Sunday January 19, 2025 @06:20AM (#42756085)
Having used both exclusively for warhammer and blood bowl content the instagram algorithm has been horrible in my very anecdotal experience. It keeps pushing content I have absolutly no interest in, where as TikTok only pushes warhammer and blood bowl content + adds.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by dleeftink on Saturday January 18, 2025 @11:32PM (#42753628)
It's the exact reason the platform economy has gotten such a bad rep over the years; drawing people in, taking a (disproportionate) slice of the pie, and providing no guarantees for a sustained income upon disruption.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by ty6853 on Saturday January 18, 2025 @11:45PM (#42753719)
That would be a very good reason why a corporate influence dominated government would want to shut them down.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by notatoad on Saturday January 18, 2025 @11:30PM (#42753619)
yeah, tiktok really was (is?) something special because unlike other platforms, their algorithm really increased people's reach out beyond their own community.

youtube shorts and instagram reels seem like they do the same thing on the surface, but they're so much more focused on showing you content that they are certain you'll like, and from people in your network or people who you normally watch. they're a whole lot more focused on keeping people in their existing content silos.

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by johnneville on Saturday January 18, 2025 @11:42PM (#42753693)
their algorithm was inherently special imo. as well as their ad service. instagram seems like the biggest available replacement but it is so offputting for me subjectively with it's worse algorithm and increased and ill-matches ad placement.

some of the fediverse alternatives seem appealing but have less content.

i'm sure something will replace it if the ban remains in place but at the moment there's nothing nearly as good for me

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by aprilthird2021 on Sunday January 19, 2025 @12:10AM (#42753870)
But that's not the point. There's nothing inherently special about Facebook either. But the disruption is expensive and many would argue unnecessary.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by forgingahead on Saturday January 18, 2025 @11:29PM (#42753610)
This is a typical HN "marketing is stupid" post. TikTok organic and paid are some of the best drivers of leads and sales for businesses, same like FB and Google are as well.

Handwaving TT away as "another social media platform" is like comparing Friendster or MySpace with the ad machine that FB has built. There are countless businesses that will be impacted by this.

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by AlexandrB on Sunday January 19, 2025 @12:14AM (#42753897)
I would be happy if all social media was wiped out tomorrow. The eagerness of advertisers to throw money at these platforms frankly sickens me. So many of the internet's current ills originate in how social media platforms operate.

I don't give two shits how many leads these platforms drive, just like I don't care how many farmers the tobacco industry employs.

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by forgingahead on Sunday January 19, 2025 @04:13AM (#42755348)
Indeed, let them eat cake!