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Re:Homes Withstood the LA Fires. Architects Explain Why by edflsafoiewq on Friday January 17, 2025 @08:28AM (#42737283)
Can you elaborate on why no attics?
Re:Homes Withstood the LA Fires. Architects Explain Why by sgtaylor5 on Friday January 17, 2025 @08:34AM (#42737339)
The stamped metal framing connector facilitated the use of trusses, which means an open plan house (McMansion) of much larger footprint. Trusses mean no attic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oIeLGkSCMA

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Re:Homes Withstood the LA Fires. Architects Explain Why by bkjelden on Friday January 17, 2025 @08:46AM (#42737451)
You can absolutely design trusses to have an attic. They're called "room in attic trusses".

I would guess the decline in livable attics in new construction is mostly attributable to changing consumer preference.

Re:Homes Withstood the LA Fires. Architects Explain Why by leeter on Friday January 17, 2025 @09:01AM (#42737573)
At least where I am, I would attribute it to code requirements. A livable attic requires much more work to meet code than a vented attic space. Not to mention the energy cost of having a livable attic can be higher because there is no venting and limited insulation. All of this is speculation of course. You definitely could do it. But, if you did you'd almost certainly have to use more expensive construction techniques to meet code insulation requirements.
Re:Homes Withstood the LA Fires. Architects Explain Why by derekp7 on Friday January 17, 2025 @12:40PM (#42740989)
On top of that, a usable attic is a third story. Once you go 3 stories, you need a fire sprinkler system installed.
Re:Homes Withstood the LA Fires. Architects Explain Why by rascul on Friday January 17, 2025 @08:39AM (#42737386)
There's still an attic with many typical roof truss designs.
Re:Homes Withstood the LA Fires. Architects Explain Why by LastTrain on Friday January 17, 2025 @08:57AM (#42737543)
I think a lot of people in this thread are too young to understand what is meant by attic. Go upstairs in a house built in 1920, that’s an attic. A tiny cubby in a cavity left by engineered trusses is not. You’ll also notice the modern house, even a cheap one, is far better insulated.
Re:Homes Withstood the LA Fires. Architects Explain Why by rascul on Friday January 17, 2025 @09:10AM (#42737650)
> A tiny cubby in a cavity left by engineered trusses is not.

Yes, it is. It doesn't have to be usable to be an attic. It just needs to be a space between the ceiling and roof.

Re:Homes Withstood the LA Fires. Architects Explain Why by LastTrain on Friday January 17, 2025 @09:26AM (#42737807)
Yes it fits the definition of the word, but not the context in which it was brought up here.
Re:Homes Withstood the LA Fires. Architects Explain Why by rascul on Friday January 17, 2025 @09:45AM (#42738012)
I realize now perhaps they meant livable attic. That wasn't obvious to me. Crawling through non livable attics framed with trusses is part of my work sometimes.
Re:Homes Withstood the LA Fires. Architects Explain Why by pfdietz on Friday January 17, 2025 @10:17AM (#42738387)
It is what I meant, but the confusion from the ambiguity is completely understandable.
Re:Homes Withstood the LA Fires. Architects Explain Why by throw0101a on Friday January 17, 2025 @01:14PM (#42741448)
> Trusses mean no attic.

Unless you use attic trusses:

* https://design.medeek.com/resources/truss/trussgallery.html

Or (vaulted) parallel cord truss:

* https://www.dimensions.com/element/truss-vaulted-parallel-ch...

Re:Homes Withstood the LA Fires. Architects Explain Why by sceadu on Friday January 17, 2025 @08:34AM (#42737334)
the space is able to be opened up as part of the main living area https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oIeLGkSCMA