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Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by voidUpdate on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @03:54AM (#42708816)
Android does this too. I don't really want all my photos indexed like that, I just want a linear timeline of photos, but I cant turn off their "memories" thing or all the analysis they do to them
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by buran77 on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @04:11AM (#42708928)
The "memories" part can be trivially done locally and probably is, it's really just reading the picture's "date taken", so it's conceptually as easy as a "sort by date". My old Android with whatever Photos app came with it (not Google's) shows this despite being disconnected for so long.

There's nothing stopping either Apple or Google from giving users an option to just disable these connected features, globally or per-app. Just allow a "no cloud services" toggle switch in the Photos app, get the warning that $FEATURES will stop working, and be done.

I know why Google isn't doing this, they're definitely monetizing every bit of that analyzed content. Not really sure about Apple though, might be that they consider their setup with HE as being on par with no cloud connectivity privacy wise.

Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by voidUpdate on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @04:23AM (#42708993)
"memories" constantly given me notifications about "similar shots" at random, so I'm assuming it is trying to analyse the content of the photos. I managed to disable the notifications, but not the actual analysis
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by Someone on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @09:15AM (#42710979)
> The "memories" part can be trivially done locally and probably is, it's really just reading the picture's "date taken", so it's conceptually as easy as a "sort by date".

It’s more. It also can create memories “trip to New York in 2020”, “Cityscapes in New York over the years”, or “Peter over the years” (with Peter being a person added to Photos)

Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by Aachen on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @04:30AM (#42709032)
No Android phone I've ever owned automatically uploaded your photos without asking. What exactly do you mean that it does too?
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by ranguna on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @04:34AM (#42709049)
Uninstall Google photos and install a dumb photos app. I think most android phones don't even come with Google photos pre installed.
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by TheSpiceIsLife on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @05:30AM (#42709403)
Dumb Photo App by Nefarious DataExfiltration Co & Son
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by tcfhgj on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @06:24AM (#42709721)
Fossify gallery
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by ThePowerOfFuet on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @06:31AM (#42709773)
This is what the "Allow Network permission" checkbox in the app installation dialog on GrapheneOS is for.
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by y04nn on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @05:50AM (#42709520)
I don't think Android does that. It's only Google Photo and only if you upload them to the cloud, if you don't sync/upload them, you can't search them with specific terms.
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by lucideer on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @05:54AM (#42709543)
Android doesn't do this. Everything is opt-in.

Granted they require you to opt-in in order for the photos app to be usable & if you go out of your way to avoid opting in they make your photo-browsing life miserable with prompts & notifications. But you do still have to opt-in.

Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by alex7734 on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @07:11AM (#42710014)
Google loves doing this.

If you dare turn off Play Protect for example, you will be asked to turn it on every time you install or update anything. Never mind that you said no the last thousand times it asked.

Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by diggan on Thursday January 16, 2025 @07:07AM (#42724221)
> Google loves doing this.

Tech companies love doing this. Apple does the same, so does Microsoft.

If you know some choice isn't right for you (now or forever), the company is feeling extra beautiful today, and you're in luck, you'll get a "Do this now, or I'll remind you later" choice. But then sometimes they just decide that "This is how things are now".

I've had this happen in every environment except Linux, where I get to shoot myself in the foot whenever I want, and sometimes a bit more.

Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by nine_k on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @06:45AM (#42709849)
A number of good third-party photo-browsing apps make it non-miserable, even if you never open Google Photos or even uninstall it.
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by lucideer on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @07:19AM (#42710078)
I've seen a lot of people saying this generally but no specific recommendations.

I've used Simple Gallery Pro before but it's not very good.

Currently using Immich but that's not really a general photo app - it's got a narrow use case - so I still use the Google Photos app alongside it quite often.

Specific alternative recommendations that aren't malware welcome.

Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by marmight on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @08:18AM (#42710465)
It depends which features you need, but interestingly Google has another, lighter weight gallery app called Google Gallery that does not have any cloud features built in.
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by ckae on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @08:29AM (#42710526)
Fossify Gallery (on Fdroid or Google store) works quite nicely for me as a nice and simple photo viewer and management app.
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by nine_k on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @09:13AM (#42710959)
Simple Gallery Pro is what I use, and it seems fine to me. What do you think should be added to it, or altered? Just curious how other people see UX.
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by pertique on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @11:26AM (#42712987)
I can't personally vouch for it as I'm still stuck in Google Photos and would prefer to self-host it, but Ente may interest you. Open source, end-to-end encrypted, self-host or cloud.
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by lucideer on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @12:12PM (#42713786)
I'm really happy with Immich & not looking for a replacement. Evaluated it vs Ente in the past & went with it instead - as far as I could tell their apps have the same features & limitations (focus on remote backup & display rather than on local on-device photo management & basic markup/editing).

If (like me) you don't need e2e I can highly recommend Immich for its use-case though.

Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by dvngnt_ on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @03:34PM (#42716549)
> I've used Simple Gallery Pro before but it's not very good.

It's rock solid for me. you can browse folders move, copy, hide small edits. you can't search 'dog' which is a plus, it doesn't scan faces.

Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by gnuly on Thursday January 16, 2025 @04:57AM (#42723403)
you might want to look into fossify.org as simple tools(of which simple gallery pro was a part of) has been sold to an israeli adware company.

see: https://github.com/SimpleMobileTools/General-Discussion/issu...

Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by dvngnt_ on Sunday January 19, 2025 @01:56AM (#42754526)
im aware. i believe i transferred
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by gnuly on Thursday January 16, 2025 @05:01AM (#42723429)
i use aves[1] which has many features. especially useful if you travel and take pictures a lot.

[1]: https://github.com/deckerst/aves

Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by lucideer on Monday January 20, 2025 @03:07PM (#42772520)
This looks potentially great, thanks. I'll give it a try.
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by Ghoelian on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @09:19AM (#42711024)
> or even uninstall it

Unfortunately google's camera app will only open google photos if you click the image preview after taking one. Just doesn't respect the default gallery app setting at all.

Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by lucideer on Monday January 20, 2025 @03:09PM (#42772540)
The camera app opened Simple Gallery Pro for me no problem back when I used it. I've been back using Google Photos for a while now so perhaps the camera app has regressed since.
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by Ghoelian on Thursday January 23, 2025 @10:34AM (#42804994)
Yeah, unfortunately nowadays all you get is this:

https://i.imgur.com/QVkvrH9.png

Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by Enginerrrd on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @09:22AM (#42711046)
It says it's "opt in" but as someone who hasn't opted in, I still get the notifications and I can see a split second preview of all the stuff they're not supposed to have computed before it asks me to opt in. So there's DEFINITELY shenanigans ocurring.
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by numpad0 on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @06:12AM (#42709652)
uninstall(disable) stock Google Photos app and install `gallery2.apk`. You can download one from sketchy github repos, or I think you can alternatively extract from Emulator image.
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by nine_k on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @06:47AM (#42709861)
Why, install a non-sketchy open-source gallery app from F-Droid.
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by AshamedCaptain on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @06:35AM (#42709802)
Samsung at least does these "dog" cataloguing & searches entirely on-device, as trivially checked by disabling all network connectivity and taking a picture. It may ping home for several other reasons, though.
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by llm_nerd on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @08:17AM (#42710458)
Apple also does the vast majority of photo categorization on device, and has for years over multiple major releases. Foods, drinks, many types of animals including specific breeds, OCRing all text on the image even when massively distorted, etc.

This feature is some new "landmark" detection and it feels like it's a trial balloon or something as it simply makes zero sense unless what they are categorizing as landmarks is enormous. The example is always the Eiffel tower, but the data to identify most of the world's major landmarks is small relative to what the device can already detect, not to mention that such lookups don't even need photo identification and could instead (and actually already do and long have) use simple location data and nearby POIs for such metadata tagging.

The landmarks thing is the beginning, but I feel like they want it to be much more detailed. Like every piece of art, model of car, etc, including as they change with new releases, etc.

Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by TeMPOraL on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @07:53AM (#42710313)
Does or doesn't. You can't really tell if and when it does any cataloguing; best I've managed to observe is that you can increase chances of it happening if you keep your phone plugged in to a charger for extended periods of time.

That's the problem with all those implementations: no feedback of any kind. No list of recognized tags. No information of what is or is to be processed. No nothing. Just magic that doesn't work.

Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by reaperman on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @08:39AM (#42710585)
With embeddings, there might not be tags to display. Instead of labeling the photo with a tag of “dog”, it might just check whether the embedding of each photo is within some vector distance of the embedding of your search text.
Re:Homomorphic Encryption in iOS 18 by TeMPOraL on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @10:11AM (#42711693)
Yes and no. Embeddings can be used in both directions - if you can find images closest to some entries in a search text, you can also identify tokens or phrases closest in space to any image or cluster of images, and output that. It's a problem long solved in many different ways, including but not limited to e.g.:

https://github.com/pythongosssss/ComfyUI-WD14-Tagger

which uses specific models to generate proper booru tags out of any image you pass to it.

More importantly, I know for sure they have this capability in practice, because if you tap the right way in the right app, when the Moon is in just the right phase, both Samsung Gallery and OneDrive Photos does (or in case of OneDrive, used to):

- Provide occasional completions and suggestions for predefined categories, like "sunset" or "outwear" or "people", etc.;

- Auto-tag photos with some subset of those (OneDrive, which also sometimes records it in metadata), or if you use "edit tag" options, suggest best fitting tags (Samsung);

- Have a semi-random list of "Things" to choose from to categorize your photos, such as "Sunsets", "City", "Outdoors", "Room", etc. Google Photos does that one too.

This shows they do maintain a list of correct and recommended classifications. They just choose to keep it hidden.

With regards to face recognition, it's even worse. There's zero controls and zero information other than occasionally matched (and often mismatched) face under photo properties, that you can sometimes delete.