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Re:Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents by affinepplan on Monday January 13, 2025 @06:57PM (#42691293)
NIMBYism making it extremely difficult and expensive to build supply as is needed.

in 1946 the US had a population of 141M and built 700k housing units

in 2024 the US had a population of 336M and built 90k housing units

Re:Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents by imperfect_light on Monday January 13, 2025 @07:04PM (#42691377)
Where are these numbers from? How does 5 million housing units from 2020-2023 (this was published in 2024) translate into "90K housing units"

>The United States has added almost 5 million housing units since 2020, most heavily in the South and most of them single-family homes, making a housing shortage look conquerable in much of the nation.

https://washingtonstatestandard.com/2024/05/16/housing-boom-....

Re:Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents by LeafItAlone on Monday January 13, 2025 @07:14PM (#42691514)
Parent used a single month’s count for the whole year
Re:Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents by glaucon on Monday January 13, 2025 @07:18PM (#42691564)
> in 1946 the US had a population of 141M and built 700k housing units

I think the year after the second world war ended at which point marriages, and therefore household formation, went to unprecedented levels introduces a lot of noise into that signal

Re:Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents by WalterBright on Monday January 13, 2025 @07:06PM (#42691399)
1946 was a special case. It was the start of the baby boom, kicked off by the victorious soldiers returning home and wanting to get on with life.
Re:Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents by LeafItAlone on Monday January 13, 2025 @07:12PM (#42691478)
> in 2024 the US had a population of 336M and built 90k housing units

That was one month’s worth. There were ~1.5 million built in 2024 in the US.

https://www.census.gov/construction/nrc/pdf/newresconst.pdf

Re:Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents by giantg2 on Monday January 13, 2025 @07:08PM (#42691416)
"NIMBYism making it extremely difficult and expensive to build supply as is needed."

Only in some areas. There are other factors affecting how expensive houses are across the country, such as materials/labor, preferences for larger/fancier houses, location preference, and increasingly complex/expensive code.

Re:Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents by MattGaiser on Monday January 13, 2025 @07:09PM (#42691445)
> preferences for larger/fancier houses

And more space per person, so older houses now house far fewer than they used to. US has more bedrooms without an occupant than ever.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/09/realestate/empty-bedrooms...

Re:Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents by LeafItAlone on Monday January 13, 2025 @07:20PM (#42691575)
I wonder how empty-nesting attributes to this. My parents have 3 empty (really, repurposed) bedrooms in their house now. But downsizing in their area wouldn’t actually help financially, so they don’t.
Re:Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents by giantg2 on Monday January 13, 2025 @07:40PM (#42691810)
Empty-nesting has been a thing for about 2-3 generations. Before that there were often multi-generation homes. But it seems like people didn't really up-size 2-3 generations ago. Many of the great generation were happy to build their 1000sqft Sears house and live there the rest of their lives. The last 1-2 generations seems to be more of a drive for trading up to bigger and better everything. Now we see empty-nesters in 2500sqft houses. I think it's natural to not not want to leave a long-time home, even if it is oversized and only filled on holidays for company or parties. But why do we really need that much space in the first place, seems to be more of the question.
Re:Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents by MattGaiser on Monday January 13, 2025 @07:23PM (#42691612)
In my case, most elderly relatives own their largest homes ever for when kids visit. So many bedrooms have never had a full time occupant.
Re:Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents by iforgot22 on Monday January 13, 2025 @08:02PM (#42692042)
Idk if the article says this (paywall), but: Home ownership is basically subsidized in the US. So to take full advantage of that, someone may want to buy the most expensive house they can afford in the place they want to live. If it has extra bedrooms, so be it.
Re:Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents by MattGaiser on Monday January 13, 2025 @07:07PM (#42691411)
Your 90K number is a monthly number, not annual and only for single family units.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/HOUST1F

Re:Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents by iforgot22 on Monday January 13, 2025 @08:01PM (#42692028)
It's also a delta being put alongside the absolute US population