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Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by sergiosgc on Monday January 13, 2025 @06:26AM (#42682333)
Portuguese has the word "mestre" from the same Latin origin. Since it has evolved in a separate context, it may give a glimpse of the original meaning, way before slavery. A "mestre", in Portuguese, is one of three concepts:

- Someone who has mastered some art;

- A teacher;

- The lead artisan in a team, the one who has mastered the art, teaches and leads.

The slave master is a very narrow interpretation on these meanings, and the woke push against the word is myopic. The word has a long history, none of it connected to slavery.

Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by b800h on Monday January 13, 2025 @08:10AM (#42683048)
This is the same in British English. I found the main/master switch absurd. I went to school, and was taught by masters: an English master, History master and so on. In my cultural context, the switch was just cultural colonialism from America.
Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by TeMPOraL on Monday January 13, 2025 @08:32AM (#42683234)
This is the same in other European languages. For example in Polish, the equivalent word, "mistrz", refers to all the things GP said, but doesn't even have a meaning that could be applied to slavery.

As for American English, wake me up when they rename Master's degree.

Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by b800h on Monday January 13, 2025 @08:46AM (#42683346)
Well, the tide is going out now. That's unlikely to happen until the virus mutates and reappears in thirty years' time.
Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by motorest on Monday January 13, 2025 @07:56AM (#42682911)
> Portuguese has the word "mestre" from the same Latin origin.

I don't think this concept is unique to Portuguese. Whenever anyone talks about, say, the dutch masters, they are not talking about slavery.

Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by scotty79 on Monday January 13, 2025 @07:09AM (#42682616)
It's a bit like banning the word 'owner' because there used to be slave owners.
Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by bigstrat2003 on Monday January 13, 2025 @10:57AM (#42684835)
Also, even with the master/slave interpretation, there's nothing wrong with it. It's not offensive to use terms that refer to slavery. No reasonable person thinks "oh because this database has a master and slave replica the maintainers think slavery was ok". No reasonable person is so psychologically fragile that the mere mention of slavery hurts them.
Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by ben_w on Monday January 13, 2025 @03:16PM (#42688468)
> No reasonable person is so psychologically fragile that the mere mention of slavery hurts them

And yet, weirdly to me, there's a lot of people acting like it costs them personally to switch words.

I never gave this topic much thought when it first came up, because it never mattered to me in the fist place if the default branch was called "master" or "A1" or "πρώτα".

Someone wants it called different because of aesthetics? Sure, have fun with the new name! It's no more significant to me than "jif" (the cleaning fluid) being renamed "cif", or Marathon, Snickers.

Of course, if anyone were to have suggested to me that the name alone would be enough to solve racism forever, I might have pointed that the Berlin Wall's official name translated as "anti-fascist protection barrier", as an example of the way people use words to divert from a complete lack of real action or worse to act in direct opposition to the normal meaning of the words.