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Re:The Consensus on Havana Syndrome Is Cracking by eru on Sunday January 12, 2025 @08:20PM (#42678972)
Cars are really deadly and readily available without raising any suspicion.

(And only fairly recently have we really seen anyone use cars for terror attacks. And they are still fairly rare, considering how ubiquitous cars are.)

See also https://gwern.net/terrorism-is-not-about-terror and https://gwern.net/terrorism-is-not-effective

Re:The Consensus on Havana Syndrome Is Cracking by s1artibartfast on Sunday January 12, 2025 @08:48PM (#42679163)
Cars are traceable. Poison would be the alternative for those that dont want to be apprehended.

I think many people misunderstand the degree to which society is contingent on the good faith participation of most people.

It is like a prisoners dilemma where we have managed to convince 99.9% of people to cooperate and the whole thing can easily fall apart if they dont.

Re:The Consensus on Havana Syndrome Is Cracking by whycome on Monday January 13, 2025 @12:09AM (#42680266)
Drone licence. Drone pilots licence.
Re:The Consensus on Havana Syndrome Is Cracking by coldtea on Monday January 13, 2025 @05:46AM (#42682089)
How does that solve anything at all?
Re:The Consensus on Havana Syndrome Is Cracking by s1artibartfast on Monday January 13, 2025 @11:27AM (#42685199)
already exist. Drones are required to have transponders registered to their owner. Doesnt do anything and is trivial to disable or circumnavigate.
Re:The Consensus on Havana Syndrome Is Cracking by potato3732842 on Sunday January 12, 2025 @09:23PM (#42679379)
>It is like a prisoners dilemma where we have managed to convince 99.9% of people to cooperate and the whole thing can easily fall apart if they dont.

That should give people who want to impose their will on others more pause than it does.

Re:The Consensus on Havana Syndrome Is Cracking by s1artibartfast on Sunday January 12, 2025 @11:02PM (#42679960)
Indeed. As Such, I think liberal democracies need to be based on voluntary positive sum cooperation to be stable.
Re:The Consensus on Havana Syndrome Is Cracking by eru on Sunday January 12, 2025 @10:33PM (#42679814)
> Cars are traceable. Poison would be the alternative for those that dont want to be apprehended.

Sure, but if you are willing to give your life 'to the cause', cars work.

Re:The Consensus on Havana Syndrome Is Cracking by schuyler2d on Sunday January 12, 2025 @09:32PM (#42679435)
I think we need to adjust society so fewer people feel they have nothing to lose than in the status quo.
Re:The Consensus on Havana Syndrome Is Cracking by cafard on Sunday January 12, 2025 @09:36PM (#42679466)
Car bombs, and moving car bombs have been around since the 1960s and before.
Re:The Consensus on Havana Syndrome Is Cracking by eru on Sunday January 12, 2025 @10:34PM (#42679819)
I'm talking about just using an unmodified car to run over people. No need to learn anything about bomb making.
Re:The Consensus on Havana Syndrome Is Cracking by whycome on Monday January 13, 2025 @12:13AM (#42680277)
The curious thing about the two recent attack events in New Orleans is that most reported the trump tower one as an “exploding cybertruck” but very few even mentioned that the other incident involved an electric ford truck. It should have been absolutely newsworthy and raise questions: evs are actually more dangerous to a crowd. They don’t require space to accelerate. And they don’t make a lot of noise (and one could probably even disable the artificial movement sound). This is kind of a new danger.
Re:The Consensus on Havana Syndrome Is Cracking by eru on Monday January 13, 2025 @02:04AM (#42680837)
Yes, it would be, if homicidal people were actually held back by the limitations of ICE cars. But they aren't even really brushing against them. They seem to be mostly limited by their own incompetence. Fortunately.