Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by lugu on Friday January 10, 2025 @08:21PM (#42662412)

Coming from another continent, it feels the discourse in the US is poisoned by the word RACE. Back home, no one uses it. The best proxy for inequality is poverty. Make poor people richer with basic support like free education and health care. Tax the richer. That should solve the problem. If you wonder about woman, create support for working mum with after school program and free baby care. Sorry to state the obvious.

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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by dijit on Saturday January 11, 2025 @05:56AM (#42665004)

I agree all of this talk about equity inequality and race and gender. completely betrayed the fact that the biggest predictor of societal issues is poverty.

it almost feels like the elites are pitting us against each other. again.

I can’t think of any societal injustice that could not be undone simply by by floating opportunities opportunities to those in poverty.

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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by rbetts on Saturday January 11, 2025 @03:53PM (#42668839)

Median wealth of a US households by race: white $250k; black: $27k; asian: $320k

https://www.pewresearch.org/2023/12/04/wealth-gaps-across-ra...

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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by _Tev on Monday January 13, 2025 @07:45PM (#42691856)

That actually shows that helping poor people would help black the most. So why not do it?

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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by doom2 on Saturday January 11, 2025 @09:26AM (#42666085)

> it feels the discourse in the US is poisoned by the word RACE. Back home, no one uses it.

I'm not sure where you're located, but as an American fan of European football, it seems like race is still very much an issue on other continents and not just as a proxy for some other inequality. Just in the last week, there have been at least two instances in the top 5 leagues of fans racially abusing players[1]. Maybe the US is too focused on race (I don't think so), but saying "no one uses it" seems like an indication of the opposite problem.

[1] In Fulham vs Watford and Valencia vs Real Madrid

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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by mbs159 on Tuesday January 14, 2025 @12:28PM (#42700561)

What you see in football does not represent a continent, though. Where I live in Europe there are people of many races, but I have only heard the word race (in my native language) used only a handful of times in my entire life. Inequality via poverty is a thing, though.

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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by l0t0b0r0s on Tuesday January 14, 2025 @01:18PM (#42701425)

He doesnt disclose where hes from because it is likely and ethno-homogenous state and would therefore ruin his bullshit bad faith argument.

Or he could be INDIAN and doesnt want to be criticized about the caste system lol.

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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by csubj on Saturday January 11, 2025 @09:57AM (#42666285)

wow thank you, you solved all the problems. who could have thought it was just that simple. as you said we should just not think about the demographic complexities across every single possible issue and then tax the people who make the rules; easy as apple pie.

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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by jjulius on Saturday January 11, 2025 @10:42AM (#42666574)

I agree that OP's idea glosses over and ignores a lot of things, but ill-spirited sarcasm is the quickest way to get someone to be defensive and argumentative rather than open to a different viewpoint/perspective had you kindly offered one.

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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by csubj on Saturday January 11, 2025 @01:12PM (#42667756)

Thank you for the lecture.

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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by jjulius on Saturday January 11, 2025 @01:29PM (#42667890)

I genuinely hope that you have a wonderful weekend and that you're able to find some peace. :)

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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by dmix on Saturday January 11, 2025 @07:37PM (#42670156)

> Make poor people richer with basic support like free education and health care. Tax the richer. That should solve the problem.

Economics matter first and foremost and always gets ignored in these discussions as if you can hand wave away poverty by taxing everything to death (and I say that while supporting public health insurance).

France does everything you said and much more... but their cost of living is much higher relative to their income https://livingcost.org/cost/france/united-states.

On paper in exchange from increasing taxes for the wealthiest from 50% -> 75%+ in France the incomes of the bottom 50% increased around 10% [1] (remember this is relative, so imagine $30k->$33k): https://cepr.org/sites/default/files/styles/flexible_wysiwyg... https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/pre-distribution-versus-redis... [biased source] meanwhile US GDP grew 50% faster than France since the 90s. Per-capita GDP for lower 90% didn't increase in France vs US either.

If your income/wealth isn't growing meaningfully over time and you must rely on gov bandaid programs to afford anything, and basic cost of living is such where you can't go buy food/rent/clothes/entertainment/gas etc for cheap, then you're not much better off. You're just stuck in a country that's in permanent mediocre stasis while others grow. Same deal here in Canada. And recently the US is moving this way too.

There's better ways to fight wealth aggregation in the top 10% and have a fairer economy than mass redistribution IMO.

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