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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by vladgur on Friday January 10, 2025 @08:08PM (#42662335)
Exactly. The history is filled with injustices directed by everyone at everyone if we go back generations.

Are there injustices being perpetrated by the institutions today? Lets call them out.

Injustices perpetrated generations ago belong in history books. We cant forget about them but Im not going to be held responsible for them.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by JohnMakin on Friday January 10, 2025 @08:35PM (#42662489)
> Are there injustices being perpetrated by the institutions today? Lets call them out.

Yes! welcome to black lives matter. But, that seems to have been labeled a terrorist group for some reason.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by ipaddr on Friday January 10, 2025 @09:13PM (#42662673)
I haven't heard that but in general tactics and threats could get your labelled terrorist? You may feel you have a just cause but it doesn't mean your goal justifies your actions.
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by Aeolun on Friday January 10, 2025 @11:02PM (#42663181)
> You may feel you have a just cause but it doesn't mean your goal justifies your actions.

Only ever said by someone that’s part of the establishment.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by dijit on Saturday January 11, 2025 @05:20AM (#42664793)
by definition, if you want to destroy the established methods for change or circumvent them then yes, that is treason (or; terrorism) especially via threat or force.

Real change that will jot be classified that way has to happen by engaging with the process for change- though I definitely recognise that its a lot slower and more difficult.

So too is it more difficult to save up money instead of robbing a bank, but it doesn't mean you’re morally justified to rob a bank to give to charity vs working and giving a percentage of a paycheck.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by vladgur on Saturday January 11, 2025 @12:22AM (#42663524)
Black Lives Matter as an organization has lost any respect from me on October 8, 2023 when they celebrated the October 7th attack killing over a thousand Israelis on their X account [0]

Please use a different example

[0] https://nypost.com/2023/10/10/blm-chicago-under-fire-for-pro...

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by JohnMakin on Sunday January 12, 2025 @07:19PM (#42678529)
Your claim doesn’t really match your reference, also, I don’t really care (and neither likely does BLM) care about what people like you think. React less to clickbait headlines, think more critically pleaze.
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by vladgur on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @10:42AM (#42712191)
I saw BLM Chicago instagram post myself, the referenced link is simply for proof.

They celebrated an attack on Israel that resulted in deaths and kidnapping of hundreds of innocent music festival goers and kibbutznicks the day after that vicious attack.

The fact that you don’t care what I ( or people like me - whatever that means) think is irrelevant to the discussion

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by 395112342 on Friday January 10, 2025 @09:08PM (#42662652)
Older injustice still has ramifications today.

Take redlining for instance. That happened a long time ago. Redlining systematically and intentionally deprived non-white families of home ownership, while helping white families to own homes. But wealth begets wealth, so owning a home lets someone borrow money against it to start a business. When these people die, their children will inherit their wealth. As a result, the (grand)children of a family are still denied opportunities that they would've gotten, if not for redlining.

The creator of VeggieTales has a great video on this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGUwcs9qJXY

P.S. Yes, a family who was able to get a home loan (redlining didn't affect them) might have squandered this wealth gambling, or maybe they didn't pass it onto their children, so some people unaffected by redlining may still end up in a similar place. Similarly, some families that were affected by redlining have still managed to accumulate wealth in spite of redlining. My claim is that the family that squandered their money still got the chance to squander was was given to them, and the injustice is that the redlined family was denied that opportunity.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by 395112342 on Friday January 10, 2025 @11:24PM (#42663286)
I can't help but notice (believe me, I'm trying not to notice!) that this comment is getting some downvotes. I'd love it if a downvoter could let me know why they're downvoting, and how I can improve!
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by Omatic810 on Saturday January 11, 2025 @02:46AM (#42664126)
I can't speak personally to why peeps are downvoting, just wanted to say I appreciate the comment - you explained the position well.
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by gottorf on Saturday January 11, 2025 @11:37AM (#42666974)
> the injustice is that the redlined family was denied that opportunity

Right, but the median debate isn't about whether there was in fact past injustice done via discrimination on racial lines. The median person agrees. The debate is whether present discrimination on racial lines is required to "correct" that past injustice, and whether that would be a form of present justice. There's very little agreement on that.