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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by dylan604 on Friday January 10, 2025 @01:58PM (#42658790)
So your accepting of something you don't need but could be useful to others is totally opposite of the design not having a hood. Just because these females don't need it, they made it so nobody could use it.
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by kstrauser on Friday January 10, 2025 @02:09PM (#42658907)
Did I say that everyone should have that? No. I like working on my own cars. My personal gearhead top achievement was when my alternator seized up, and I had a new one installed and working 45 minutes later (including a quick run to the parts store).

That said, I've done nothing under the hood of our family minivan other than changing air filters. It wouldn't break my heart if I had to let the shop do that for me when I was there getting the oil changed every 2 (!!!) years. I can totally see why a lot of people, probably most people, would consider that a great tradeoff.

By the way, "these females" is not the preferred nomenclature. "Women", please.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by dylan604 on Friday January 10, 2025 @02:29PM (#42659158)
so a small group of women made a unilateral decision that prevents others. again, it is just an example of one group making decisions without realizing (or caring) how it affects others.

the point is that every single decision can be construed as denying something to someone else when it was only made as a convenience for someone else. it's very strained here as not having a hood is just odd. Even if you only take the car in every 2 years, that cost of that service is going to be much higher because of the labor involved on removing the front just to access the engine rather than just popping the hood. We already have plenty of examples of cars where this has been the case

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by kstrauser on Friday January 10, 2025 @02:53PM (#42659432)
That's ridiculous. You and I don't have to buy that car. But if it existed and were brought to market, people who do like it have the option. It gives them choices they wouldn't otherwise have without restricting our options.

Tying this back to my earlier point, working on a product with people who weren't exactly like me made a better product for everyone. It didn't make it a worse product for older white guys like myself, while making it more useful for everyone else who isn't my twin. That's pretty cool, and customers rewarded us for it.

Without the input of diverse opinions, I wouldn't have thought of the simple changes we could make to expand its reach, again, without making it worse for me and people like me. The end result was universally better. That's a good thing for our users and our investors. Literally everyone involved was better off for it.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by dylan604 on Friday January 10, 2025 @03:15PM (#42659633)
The fact that you think that removing the hood doesn't make it a worse product is baffling. If it has a hood and you choose to never open it, that does not make it a worse product. If you have no hood but have to incur extravagant service fees because of not having a hood definitely makes it a worse product.

I'm confused on how you accept A but not B

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by einarfd on Friday January 10, 2025 @05:50PM (#42661213)
> If it has a hood and you choose to never open it, that does not make it a worse product.

This is only true if having a hood has no negative ramifications, the argument from Volvo was that removing it made forward visibility better. For some people trading a hood they never use, against better forward visibility, could be well worth it. Especially for short people, where forward visibility can be more of a problem than for the rest of us.