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Re:VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles by eviks on Thursday January 09, 2025 @07:36AM (#42644679)
> better to paraphrase dialog to reduce the amount of text that needs to be read.

That's just bad destructive art, especially for a foreign language that you partially know.

> Sometimes you need to name a voice as unknown, to avoid spoilers.

Don't name any, that's what your own eye-ear voice recognition/matching and positioning are for (also reduces the amount of text)

> Sometimes the positioning on the screen matters.

This is rather valuable art indeed! Though unlikely fit to be modelled well

Re:VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles by lxgr on Thursday January 09, 2025 @07:43AM (#42644737)
> Don't name any, that's what your own eye-ear voice recognition/matching and positioning are for

That’s tricky when one or more speakers aren’t visible.

Re:VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles by eviks on Thursday January 09, 2025 @07:57AM (#42644859)
They'd also have to start speaking at the same time and have similar voices to make it tricky
Re:VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles by lxgr on Thursday January 09, 2025 @07:59AM (#42644881)
You’re assuming that the subtitle user can hear the voice track here.
Re:VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles by eviks on Thursday January 09, 2025 @08:02AM (#42644905)
Yes I'm, the other option is the "hearing impaired" variant, let that one have as the extra info
Re:VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles by lxgr on Thursday January 09, 2025 @09:27AM (#42645885)
I've first hand encountered several situations with subtitles where it would have been ambiguous who was speaking without speaker annotations, despite the voices being distinctive, me being able to hear them clearly etc. Just think of a rapid exchange with neither speaker on-screen for more than two or three sentences and replies.

You can probably get 99% there without that for a lot of content, but I'd challenge the notion that this is somehow only important for hearing impaired viewers (or people just watching without clearly audible sound for other reasons).

Re:VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles by soco on Thursday January 09, 2025 @09:55AM (#42646231)
I guess you can have that in a real life situation as well, where you don't have subtitles at all (hello AR) and still can handle. Do you want your subtitles full of metadata the whole movie for every movie and every day, for those several situations when the image director made a mess? You can always play that confusing scene again.
Re:VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles by lxgr on Thursday January 09, 2025 @11:54AM (#42647489)
I definitely prefer subtitles to be as helpful as possible, yes. That includes having situationally appropriate metadata (which is different from "all the metadata, all the time").

I don't think that's an unrealistic goal to have for AIs; they're already extremely good at semantic scene description after all. By looking at the image in addition to just the audio track they probably also get a lot more metadata, which a refined world model will eventually be able to use just like a human subtitle editor can today.

Re:VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles by soco on Thursday January 09, 2025 @12:25PM (#42647799)
So you mean, the AI should figure out when a problematic scene is coming, and only then add labels and whatnot? Not impossible, just somebody must teach them, same with subtitles positioning.
Re:VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles by soco on Thursday January 09, 2025 @09:51AM (#42646184)
Like other commenters pointed out, we are talking two different types of subtitles - those for hearing impaired have very different requirements. I'm not sure which one is VLC gonna cover. Best would be both, just don't mix them up please.
Re:VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles by MindSpunk on Thursday January 09, 2025 @08:31AM (#42645211)
Subtitles aren't just for foreign viewers though, they're also for native speakers who are now hearing impaired.
Re:VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles by eviks on Thursday January 09, 2025 @09:28AM (#42645907)
Sure, that's what HI version is for