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Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by pests on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @02:53PM (#42626630)
Nah it’s offensive. Just because you don’t take issue doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt others.
Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by swatcoder on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @03:09PM (#42626827)
They're not suggesting that they don't take issue, and so they don't need to take offense seriously.

They're suggesting that the people who conceivably might take issue generally don't and are instead being patronized by and condescended to by privileged, unaffiliated outsiders who assume -- without consent -- to speak on their behalf. And they don't take those people seriously.

It's totally reasonable to disagree with that view, but it's the not the same view your reply tries to engage with.

Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by tshaddox on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @04:09PM (#42627503)
The thing is, you wouldn't use the slur except to invoke the mean-spiritedness that the people who find the slur offensive associate with the word. If you're using it because you think like-minded people will find it funny that you're using a term other people find offensive, that's still precisely the same mean-spiritedness.
Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by ksenzee on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @03:36PM (#42627136)
No, you’re expressing a different, more lucid point of view (“the people who conceivably might take issue generally don’t”), which can be engaged with. For example, I would argue that it’s reasonable to take offense on behalf of people who can’t be part of the conversation at hand. (Otherwise it would be fine for whites to spew racist slurs in a group of only white people. If we disagree on that, we’re having the wrong conversation.) I would also point out that taking offense on behalf of others is a time-honored practice (“nobody says that about my little brother and gets away with it!”) But the GP (GGP?) did not say “the people who conceivably might take issue generally don’t.” They didn’t say “no one has standing to be offended by this term.” They just said “it’s not offensive” about a term that is offensive enough that we’re having an entire argument about it. That’s schoolyard-level discourse.
Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by not2b on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @02:57PM (#42626675)
Using it as a noun or in name-calling is offensive, as a verb it isn't.
Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by gitaarik on Wednesday January 08, 2025 @12:46AM (#42631352)
Oh yeah? Why?
Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by huijzer on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @03:23PM (#42626998)
Reminds me of:

Priest: “You have been found guilty by the elders of the town of uttering the name of our lord as so as a BLASPHEMER you are to be stoned to death.”

[…]

Priest: “BLASPHEMY! He said it again!”

Old man: “I don’t think it ought to be blasphemy. I just said ‘Jehova’”

Priest: “You said it again! You’re only making it worse!”

Old man: “Making it worse!? How can I make it worse!? Jehova, Jehova, Jenova!”

https://youtu.be/SYkbqzWVHZI

Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by michaelsbradley on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @03:10PM (#42626840)
An alternative is to use “on the spectrum”. For example, your s.o. or someone else you’re arguing with is getting on your nerves so you say: “Hey! are you on the spectrum today or what?”
Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by renewiltord on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @03:07PM (#42626797)
I’m glad we’re moving on from the world where everyone would constantly be yelling “You’re hurting me! You’re hurting me!”.
Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by gitaarik on Wednesday January 08, 2025 @12:45AM (#42631338)
So it's not offensive. Just because it hurts you doesn't mean others meant it that way.