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Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by dfdx on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:27PM (#42615311)
A friend of mine recently finished his engineering PhD at the University of Toronto. He received employment offers from an American firm and a Canadian firm. The Canadian firm offered a total compensation package worth 80,000 CAD (~55,000 USD); the American firm offered him nearly 275,000 USD.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by amarka on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:39PM (#42615473)
I can’t believe Justin Trudeau would lowball your friend like that.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by cmrdporcupine on Monday January 06, 2025 @04:08PM (#42615853)
I hate the F Trudeau crowd almost as much as I hate Trudeau, but

Low compensation ranges here are in fact in part the fault of fed gov't policy. Industry freaked out about "labour shortage" and the government responded.

The database of LMIA (Labour Market Impact Assessment) applications is public. You can see for yourself how many thousands of software engineering jobs were filled this way. (Including by big "elite" tech companies like Apple, Google, Amazon, etc.) This was deliberate policy to bring in foreign talent from India, China, etc. in order to fill a "shortage" of us, which well, that shortage was less about "can't find someone" as "I can't find someone cheap enough."

In this case I don't actually blame Trudeau or the libs -- they're on the whole too stupid about our sector to understand that in fact these low compensation ranges harm our industry more than they help. I blame corporate interests who have the ear of the gov't and misled them into thinking that somehow this would make Canada "competitive" in information tech.

All it does is force good talent to leave the country, and encourage sweat shops to open up offering mediocre "IT" services.

We're subsidizing our own Canadian students to go through great schools like U Waterloo, etc. and then losing most of them the moment they graduate, as they go to the US on a TN1. And in exchange...

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by wg0 on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:42PM (#42615499)
ROLF
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by HaZeust on Monday January 06, 2025 @08:17PM (#42618153)
Rolling on laughing floor
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by amarka on Monday January 06, 2025 @09:10PM (#42618411)
They are indeed some of the best floors to roll on.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by somedude895 on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:47PM (#42615574)
Damn I'm usually a good HNer and downvote low value joke comments, but this one got me.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by seizethecheese on Monday January 06, 2025 @05:06PM (#42616514)
People usually blame the country’s leader for any and all economic issues, whether fairly or not.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by cmrdporcupine on Monday January 06, 2025 @05:17PM (#42616632)
We do, broadly, have a problem in Canada with people blaming the federal govt for things that are not under its jurisdiction. We have a very federal system, and the provinces have a lot of power.

But in this case, yes, I think federal policy is directly implicated.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by joshl32532 on Monday January 06, 2025 @06:28PM (#42617337)
In this case, it's definitely Trudeau's administration fault by flooding the Canadian job market with immigrants, which lowers job compensation and increasing housing cost.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by jpalawaga on Monday January 06, 2025 @06:43PM (#42617465)
low salaries in canada existed long before trudeau and will exist long after.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by cmrdporcupine on Monday January 06, 2025 @07:38PM (#42617882)
They've always been lower, but it was always 20%ish lower. Now it's like 50%.

And in the meantime, housing prices have gone up exponentially. Housing in greater Toronto is more expensive than the Bay Area, but the compensation is far far lower.

I'm not one to blame Trudeau personally, or even immigration per se. I think there's a multitude of factors. But it's best not to deny the situation, which is that in the last few years there's been... problems... in the Canadian SWE labour market.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by energy123 on Monday January 06, 2025 @07:04PM (#42617614)
Lump of labor fallacy. The pie is not fixed.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by s1artibartfast on Monday January 06, 2025 @07:34PM (#42617847)
fallacy fallacy. The pie is not fixed, but does not necessarily grow >1:1 when people are added.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by Spivak on Monday January 06, 2025 @07:43PM (#42617922)
Right it grows larger.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by s1artibartfast on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @12:59PM (#42625280)
not necessarily, thats my point.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by cmrdporcupine on Monday January 06, 2025 @07:40PM (#42617897)
It's not the quantity / size of pie. It's the fact that the Canadian labour market has explicit "escape valves" for "skilled labour is too expensive" built in as a policy plank in the form of the LMIA and TFW process.

They are tools that "industry" lobbied for expansion of, and got. Have persisted through both Conservative and Liberal governments for decades, but was expanded markedly under both Harper and (especially) Trudeau.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by kridsdale1 on Monday January 06, 2025 @04:18PM (#42615968)
This was my experience too, scaled back in time to when I graduated in 2010 from UBC.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by 11101010001100 on Monday January 06, 2025 @07:38PM (#42617879)
For reference, Harper was PM in 2010.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by bamboozled on Monday January 06, 2025 @07:43PM (#42617919)
Is there only one engineering firm in Canada ?

I guess you’re trying to say there is no money there because of Trudeau ?

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by 11101010001100 on Monday January 06, 2025 @07:57PM (#42618018)
I have a friend who did something similar about 15 years ago. They are moving back to Canada this year.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by canucker2016 on Monday January 06, 2025 @09:24PM (#42618484)
Correlates well with the Univ.Waterloo System Design Engineering Class of 2023 Profile - https://nguyen-kha.github.io/SYDE_2023_Class_Profile_Officia...

Relevant slides are #97 and #101.

Percentage of class with Full time positions outside of Canada: 71.5%

Median Total compensation for US positions is about double the Median Total compensation for Canadian positions.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by 946789987649 on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @03:53AM (#42620620)
You could argue similar for US/UK, but I would still rather live in the UK.