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Re:Ask HN: Politics Blog Cloudflare Subpoena by toomuchtodo on Sunday January 05, 2025 @12:26PM (#42603312)
If you do not yet have legal representation, you need to obtain it immediately to defend your rights in your jurisdiction.
Re:Ask HN: Politics Blog Cloudflare Subpoena by wandaluzt on Sunday January 05, 2025 @12:33PM (#42603360)
Unfortunately every attorney I've contacted so far is not in a position to help. I've asked Cloudflare to hold providing the information until I get representation. Unfortunately as a free customer who only pays for the wordpress optimisations, I am too much of a small fry for Cloudflare to worry about. This is why I am trying to appeal to the CEO here. I have no resources to quash the subpoena. It seems a wealthy individual is going to get their way and cause me harm and stifle free speech.
Re:Ask HN: Politics Blog Cloudflare Subpoena by freedomben on Sunday January 05, 2025 @01:00PM (#42603567)
> It seems a wealthy individual is going to get their way and cause me harm and stifle free speech

This may sound like a slight from an American, but I truly don't mean it that way. This is an honest expression/question.

My (probably poor) understanding is that there is not general free speech in the UK, that the free speech guarantees only apply to members of parliament (and/or maybe other government reps?), and not to individual citizens. At least, constitutionally. Am I wrong about that? Are there legal protections for "free speech" for average citizens in the UK?

Re:Ask HN: Politics Blog Cloudflare Subpoena by wandaluzt on Sunday January 05, 2025 @01:03PM (#42603594)
Technically you are right. We do have free speech but not quite like the USA. I have been advised by police here that if a statement is true or the opinions are genuine beliefs of the person making them, then you are not breaking the law. As a civil matter, this has not even been challenged in the US by the court to see if they had a case.
Re:Ask HN: Politics Blog Cloudflare Subpoena by toast0 on Sunday January 05, 2025 @01:37PM (#42603876)
The US court doesn't really examine the complaint prior to issuing a subpoena, the plantiff has a dispute with you and wants to contact you but can't. So they've gone to court to ask how to contact you.

Cloudflare could move to quash the subpoena, but unless your contract says they must, that's at their discression, and unless your contract says you'll pay for it, something they would have to pay for.

If you had representation, you could move to quash the subpoena, too. And then it would be challenged.

Free speech doesn't necessarily imply anonymous speech either.

Re:Ask HN: Politics Blog Cloudflare Subpoena by wandaluzt on Sunday January 05, 2025 @02:04PM (#42604095)
I understand about the contact thing. They have had contact with me directly and via my host and Cloudflare. They have asked for information about the account from the time their story was published up until now. So it's not just about that. They can contact me, they just aren't getting the response they want.
Re:Ask HN: Politics Blog Cloudflare Subpoena by Handprint4469 on Sunday January 05, 2025 @12:48PM (#42603462)
> Unfortunately every attorney I've contacted so far is not in a position to help.

What? Why?

Re:Ask HN: Politics Blog Cloudflare Subpoena by wandaluzt on Sunday January 05, 2025 @12:52PM (#42603495)
I really do not understand why. Cloudflare only gave me a week to intervene and get counsel. I have asked them to delay. Everyone I've contacted law firm wise say they're not in a position to help. I've also contacted the EFF and they've provided recommendations to me who have turned out not to be able to help for various reasons. There's been a few on holiday, some say they've not got enough time, or too much work on.
Re:Ask HN: Politics Blog Cloudflare Subpoena by gazchop on Sunday January 05, 2025 @12:58PM (#42603548)
They are probably all avoiding getting dragged into a libel or defamation case and think you won't pay them.
Re:Ask HN: Politics Blog Cloudflare Subpoena by wandaluzt on Sunday January 05, 2025 @01:07PM (#42603632)
Normally lawyers expect payment up front. All I want is a motion to quash.
Re:Ask HN: Politics Blog Cloudflare Subpoena by ColinHayhurst on Sunday January 05, 2025 @01:20PM (#42603746)
ORG (Open Rights Group) as a UK org might provide good recommendations.
Re:Ask HN: Politics Blog Cloudflare Subpoena by wandaluzt on Sunday January 05, 2025 @01:26PM (#42603801)
Thanks I will contact them. I've lost count of how many organisations I've contacted. This lies with Cloudflare really to bat it back and say this isn't right.
Re:Ask HN: Politics Blog Cloudflare Subpoena by thaumasiotes on Sunday January 05, 2025 @01:23PM (#42603776)
Presumably for the same reason that publicly feminist lawyers are not in a position to defend accused rapists regardless of the strength of the accusation.
Re:Ask HN: Politics Blog Cloudflare Subpoena by Handprint4469 on Sunday January 05, 2025 @01:50PM (#42603978)
I might be missing some context, but this seems a bit unhinged? What do you mean?