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Re:iTerm2 critical security release by pjmlp on Friday January 03, 2025 @01:50AM (#42583215)
As old UNIX hat, what is that missing?

After my "UNIX is cool, lets configure everything" phase, which lags behind in the 1990's decade, xterm or anything like it, is more than enough.

I don't need fancy stuff for a bunch of CLI commands.

Re:iTerm2 critical security release by dangus on Friday January 03, 2025 @02:09AM (#42583309)
This is macOS, not UNIX for bearded geezers. It’s literally an operating system meant to be easy to use for consumers, a.k.a. morons.

It’s also a very popular corporate deployments where most of your command line users are web application developers who are just doing a job because it pays good money. They have no philosophical attachment to traditionalist simplicity, perhaps compassion nonfor computing at all.

I don’t blame macOS users for liking the features of iTerm2.

Re:iTerm2 critical security release by pjmlp on Friday January 03, 2025 @03:19AM (#42583678)
Which is exactly why the command line is to be used as little as possible, and for the very few use cases a command line is required, it doesn't need to be fancy.

macOS users of Apple and NeXTSTEP culture linage don't care iTerm2 exists at all, only Linux and BSD refugees.

Re:iTerm2 critical security release by bigfudge on Friday January 03, 2025 @03:44AM (#42583822)
As an original Macintosh user who discovered programming via HyperCard and Unix through OS X I’d disagree. I think there are a fair number of people like me who can’t bear the ugliness (in all senses) of windows and the time sink of Linux but do love composable open source utilities and text files for parts of our work.
Re:iTerm2 critical security release by pjmlp on Friday January 03, 2025 @04:23AM (#42584046)
Then you are pretty much aware that until OS X, Mac OS developers and users hardly cared about command line.

Most would only get it via MPW, and outside automating compiler workflows, hardly open the terminal.

Re:iTerm2 critical security release by dangus on Friday January 03, 2025 @10:33AM (#42586496)
That was almost 30 years ago.

People on classic Mac weren’t making web apps running on Linux servers.

Re:iTerm2 critical security release by pjmlp on Friday January 03, 2025 @11:02AM (#42586757)
Doesn't change the point of culture.

Also many of those people, if they want to deploy on Linux servers, they would be better off using local Linux development, not OS X.

Re:iTerm2 critical security release by frou_dh on Friday January 03, 2025 @11:59AM (#42587301)
Even if someone exclusively writes software that ends up running on Linux servers, doesn't mean they don't appreciate various nice Mac-exclusive applications as a user during their workday.

An example: I love everything about the Things task management app so much that I would never choose to run a desktop OS it doesn't run on.

Re:iTerm2 critical security release by oneeyedpigeon on Friday January 03, 2025 @03:44AM (#42583826)
I wonder how far this reductio ad absurdum is going to get. Come on, we can get to "just don't use a computer" by teatime!
Re:iTerm2 critical security release by pjmlp on Friday January 03, 2025 @04:24AM (#42584054)
Over here it is more like Kaffee & Kuchen, but yeah.
Re:iTerm2 critical security release by bennythomsson on Friday January 03, 2025 @04:07AM (#42583966)
> consumers, a.k.a. morons.

Wtf man. Some of the smartest people I know have no interest in getting anywhere close to sw eng or working anywhere in IT, so are by definition "consumers".

Just wait until one of those "morons" operates a tumor out of your brain.

Re:iTerm2 critical security release by theodric on Friday January 03, 2025 @04:39AM (#42584139)
I've always said that "consumer" is a slur.
Re:iTerm2 critical security release by dangus on Monday January 06, 2025 @10:49AM (#42611538)
It's just humor. I'm a moron myself. It's not a big deal.

The more serious point is that Apple's primary customer base does not care for what's going on with the command line, and that's why the provided terminal is basic and feature-bare.

It's not really this intentional thing where the bare terminal is the best implementation. It's more of a Notepad.exe situation where Apple has to include one for the basic functionality of the system.