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Re:Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decl... by FloorEgg on Thursday January 02, 2025 @01:24PM (#42577130)
What issues do you find he is extreme on?
Re:Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decl... by llamaimperative on Thursday January 02, 2025 @02:48PM (#42578027)
1. The result of the 2020 election is a big one

2. Supporting Germany's AfD, which e.g. backs "complete closure" of EU borders

3. Recently started advocating for a far-right loser in the UK (Tommy Robinson) who has multiple convictions including assault, assault, assault, mortgage fraud, contempt of court, and use of a false passport to enter the US

4. Continuing to insist that the Twitter Files showed that Dems stifled the Biden laptop story even after Matt Taibbi (who Musk hired to release the Twitter Files) wrote: "there’s no evidence - that I've seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story."

Re:Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decl... by FloorEgg on Thursday January 02, 2025 @03:40PM (#42578608)
1. I don't understand how that's evidence of an extreme view. 2. That does seem extreme, probably a good example. 3. I didn't know anything about this topic, but at a first glance it seems like there is a lot more going on here than the way you are framing it. 4. I didn't know Matt Taibbi said that, interesting...
Re:Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decl... by KerrAvon on Thursday January 02, 2025 @04:05PM (#42578891)
You are disengaged from consensus reality if you don’t understand why thinking the 2020 election was in any way fraudulent is an extreme view.
Re:Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decl... by llamaimperative on Thursday January 02, 2025 @04:39PM (#42579228)
I agree but I think s/he showed good faith with the rest of the comment and shouldn't be flagged.

GP's surprise that Taibbi (author of the Twitter Files, hired by Musk) said "there is no evidence of government involvement in the laptop story" is great evidence of the fact that many people just live in informational wormholes.

Re:Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decl... by FloorEgg on Thursday January 02, 2025 @09:13PM (#42581493)
Thank you. I think someone (or maybe multiple people) just mass flagged all my comments, including ones that I struggle to see as controversial. My curiosity and questioning of the "consensus reality" apparently really upset someone.

Doesn't exactly make me more confident in their opinions, if when I question them or try to understand them by comparing my own views people attempt to silence me unjustly (I didn't break any HN rules as far as I can tell, and I checked).

I spend about an hour a week on HN, and about another hour a week combined mixed between reddit, twitter, NYT, reuters, and probably a couple others I am forgetting. Just trying to get a pulse of what's going on across a wide range of sources.

Most of my time consuming information is reading books and listening to podcasts. I have listened to several Elon musk interviews (Lex Fridman mostly).

Does this explain my "information wormhole"?

Re:Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decl... by wqaatwt on Friday January 03, 2025 @02:56AM (#42583579)
> when I question them or try to understand them by comparin

You didn’t do that in good faith, though. Just entirely handwaving his support for far-right parties in Europe can’t really lead to any productive discussion? Can it?

Re:Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decl... by FloorEgg on Friday January 03, 2025 @03:25AM (#42583709)
I don't understand. How is it that my comment can't lead to any productive discussion?

I don't know anything about that AfD party, why Elon supports them, or their policies. At a glance it does appear the Elon supports them. I am taking the previous commenter at their word that the party backs "complete closure" of the EU borders, but I can't confirm or deny it yet. I haven't looked into it yet. At a glance it does seem extreme (from an Overton window perspective) for Elon to be backing a political party that wants to break up the EU.

How was my previous comment handwaving? I have to expand into all of the above instead of summarizing my impression in order for me to not be handwaving?

Like... what?

Re:Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decl... by FloorEgg on Thursday January 02, 2025 @07:50PM (#42580869)
Or maybe I don't understand what you are saying. Are you saying that Elon is claiming that the 2020 election was fraudulent? Because if you are, then its news to me. I didn't know he held that stance.
Re:Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decl... by KerrAvon on Thursday January 02, 2025 @04:04PM (#42578886)
Regular posting of antisemitic memes on Twitter is pretty extreme
Re:Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decl... by freejazz on Thursday January 02, 2025 @03:32PM (#42578525)
I can't imagine how it's not extreme to retweet any of the white supremacist shit I've seen him retweet