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Re:Reciprocal Approximation with 1 Subtraction by ryao on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @02:03PM (#42568271)
That is a common misconception. DR 283 is a suggestion for an amendment that was filed 3 years after C99 was published:

https://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/dr_283.htm

It is not part of C99. It also is not part of the C standard since no subsequent C standard adopted it according to the GCC developers:

https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=118141#c13

A read of the C11 standard draft, which would have this amendment if it were accepted by the C standards committee, shows that this has not been added:

https://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1570.pdf

Type punning via union types is therefore undefined behavior unless your compiler implements an extension to define it like GCC and Clang do.

Re:Reciprocal Approximation with 1 Subtraction by atiedebee on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @04:41PM (#42569549)
Oh that's interesting. I guess I should actually look at the standard instead of taking cppreference's word for it next time
Re:Reciprocal Approximation with 1 Subtraction by gpderetta on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @05:01PM (#42569676)
Hum, from your wg14 link: 6.5.2.3 comma 3 and note 95. I thought that was the note that was added on TC3.

Also the note is non-normative, so it is only clarifying preexisting behaviour.

But I'm far from an expert on the C standard. Also that was the C11 draft, maybe the note was removed before the final standard.

Edit: I believe the alias rules are in 6.5 comma 7; specifically:

> An object shall have its stored value accessed only by an lvalue expression that has one of the following types:

[...]

>an aggregate or union type that includes one of the aforementioned types among its members (including, recursively, a member of a subaggregate or contained union),

Edit2: neither commas nor the note have changed in the 202y Draft.

Re:Reciprocal Approximation with 1 Subtraction by ryao on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @05:09PM (#42569741)
You need more language in order to say that type punning is allowed. Implicitly, only the type of the last write is permitted reads, and anything else is undefined behavior. At least, this is my understanding based on my own read and the guidance from the GCC developers.
Re:Reciprocal Approximation with 1 Subtraction by gpderetta on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @05:12PM (#42569759)
From a cursory search I can't find any languages in the C standard that disallow reading not from the last written member.

I'm familiar with such language in the C++ standard.

Edit: On the contrary, this note 92:

> 92)If the member used to read the contents of a union object is not the same as the member last used to store a value in the object the appropriate part of the object representation of the value is reinterpreted as an object representation in the new type as described in 6.2.6 (a process sometimes called type punning). This can possibly be a non-value representation.

Edit2: and that's specifically the text that was added by dr283. I think you might be confusing with a different DR (don't remember the number) that specifically asked if generalized type punning was possible as long as an union containing the aliased types was visible in the translation unit. I think that's still open although GCC definitely forbids it.

Re:Reciprocal Approximation with 1 Subtraction by ryao on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @05:17PM (#42569780)
Where did you find that note? I do not see it in the C standard draft I linked.
Re:Reciprocal Approximation with 1 Subtraction by gpderetta on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @05:32PM (#42569861)
It is in n3301, the last 202y draft. In the 201x draft it was note 95.
Re:Reciprocal Approximation with 1 Subtraction by ryao on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @05:37PM (#42569896)
I see it now. I guess the GCC developers were wrong then.
Re:Reciprocal Approximation with 1 Subtraction by gpderetta on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @05:41PM (#42569910)
I think it is a bit more complicated. The rule, together with the aliasing rule, if taken a face value, means you could do unrestricted aliasing as long as you cast to an union type on access. I believe that's the interpretation the GCC Devs reject as is makes TBAA ineffective.

Instead they interpret it narrowly to only allow punning through objects that are actual unions (as described in the GCC docs).

Unsurprisingly the standard is kind of a mess.