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Re:Collection of insane and fun facts about SQLite by cryptonector on Monday December 30, 2024 @12:34PM (#42551444)
I'm willing to let OSI own "Open Source", cause why not (do they have a trademark on "Open Source"?), but not "open source". All-lowercase "open source" includes public domain, I don't care what OSI says about it, while "Open Source" is whatever OSI says it is, and if that does not include public domain then so be it.
Re:Collection of insane and fun facts about SQLite by saulpw on Monday December 30, 2024 @12:53PM (#42551690)
Capital letters are only useful as ECC, not direct signal. (You can't pronounce them, they aren't preserved in many contexts, the lay writer won't respect them, etc).

Your idea is like saying "Google" can be a trademark owned by Alphabet but "google" is just a verb. It seems like a cute linguistic hack but won't be meaningful in the public discourse.

Re:Collection of insane and fun facts about SQLite by cryptonector on Monday December 30, 2024 @01:19PM (#42551988)
> Capital letters are only useful as ECC, not direct signal. (You can't pronounce them, they aren't preserved in many contexts, the lay writer won't respect them, etc).

In speech I clarify if and when needed, naturally.

> Your idea is like saying "Google" can be a trademark owned by Alphabet but "google" is just a verb. It seems like a cute linguistic hack but won't be meaningful in the public discourse.

You have it exactly backwards. Descriptively "to google" is a verb.

Descriptivism is much better than prescriptivism in natural language. Sure, we need to use prescriptivism when teaching the language, but we do get to evolve the language. That's just how it goes and has gone for the entire recorded history of mankind.

Re:Collection of insane and fun facts about SQLite by psychoslave on Monday December 30, 2024 @03:05PM (#42552892)
Are you trying to subtly prescribe that descriptivism is better than prescriptivism? :)
Re:Collection of insane and fun facts about SQLite by cryptonector on Monday December 30, 2024 @03:12PM (#42552984)
A bit, yeah :)
Re:Collection of insane and fun facts about SQLite by wat10000 on Monday December 30, 2024 @05:54PM (#42554462)
Try pronouncing the word “Polish.”
Re:Collection of insane and fun facts about SQLite by chuckadams on Monday December 30, 2024 @05:57PM (#42554497)
Or helping your uncle Jack off a horse.
Re:Collection of insane and fun facts about SQLite by Clamchop on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @01:53PM (#42560872)
The Polish example only works because it's a different word, and yours only works because of implied but unwritten punctuation.

Neither is pronouncing a capital letter, whatever that means. It's why people have to say things like "capital P Political".

Re:Collection of insane and fun facts about SQLite by wat10000 on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @02:01PM (#42560938)
The fact that “Polish” and “polish” are different words is the whole point. The other commenter was saying capital letters aren’t signal, and yet.
Re:Collection of insane and fun facts about SQLite by madwolf on Friday January 03, 2025 @02:03AM (#42583279)
The fact that it’s a different word makes it very different situation. It’s not the capital letter that signals this. It’s the context. Polish as a verb and Polish as a noun won’t be mistaken in a sentence. In “Polish my boots, please” we know it’s a verb, even though it starts with a capital letter. The capital letter does not ever signal meaning. That’s because a language is primarily spoken and there are no capital letters there.
Re:Collection of insane and fun facts about SQLite by rad_gruchalski on Monday December 30, 2024 @12:53PM (#42551682)
Quite an interesting rabbit hole to explore. Apparently OSI holds a US trademark for “Open Source Initiative Approved License”, but no trademark for “open source” by itself.
Re:Collection of insane and fun facts about SQLite by ska on Monday December 30, 2024 @01:19PM (#42551981)
Hardly surprising because the idiomatic usage of "open source" predates OSI.
Re:Collection of insane and fun facts about SQLite by cryptonector on Monday December 30, 2024 @01:21PM (#42552000)
Apparently not by a lot, but it does indeed.
Re:Collection of insane and fun facts about SQLite by mbreese on Monday December 30, 2024 @04:18PM (#42553658)
The term definitely preceded the organization. The term was in use for years before OSI was formed. And OSI was clearly formed in order to provide some clarity to what was meant by “open source”. In other words, if there was no ambiguity in the phrase “open source”, OSI would never have been created.
Re:Collection of insane and fun facts about SQLite by cryptonector on Monday December 30, 2024 @05:52PM (#42554446)
And the best way to handle this ambiguity is to use "Open Source" when referring to OSI's definition, and "open source" when referring to the colloquial and ill-defined form.