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Re:Chess grandmaster Magnus Carlsen rejoins tournament he qu... by bfdm on Monday December 30, 2024 @10:23AM (#42550054)
As is the explanation all too often, dress codes are simply exclusionary. They're meant to exclude those that do not conform (whether or why they cannot conform or refuse to is secondary).

All the other bluster about tradition and standards or whatever else is all just covering fire to exclusionary policy. Whether that be race based, gender based, class based or otherwise, it's a basis for excluding or removing those outside your group who can't or won't bend to your requirements.

The one and only exception I know of to this is safety dress codes, like loose long hair or garments around certain machinery that could catch those. The rest can go to hell.

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Re:Chess grandmaster Magnus Carlsen rejoins tournament he qu... by RonaldDump on Monday December 30, 2024 @10:35AM (#42550184)
The kind of people who say this about White culture (tennis, golf, chess, etc) cream themselves over the rich vibrant culture of traditional dress in literally any non-White sport or ritual.

If a White professional sumo wrestler insisted on Speedos or boardshorts as a protest against discriminatory Japanese garb, would he be a freedom fighter, in your view? A disrespectful buffoon in mine.

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Re:Chess grandmaster Magnus Carlsen rejoins tournament he qu... by bfdm on Monday December 30, 2024 @10:48AM (#42550333)
If there isn't a physical or functional justification for the outfit, yea let people wear that they want. Who cares.
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Re:Chess grandmaster Magnus Carlsen rejoins tournament he qu... by polotics on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @04:07PM (#42569301)
Wow chess is "white culture" now?

May I suggest you visit Wikipedia maybe?

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Re:Chess grandmaster Magnus Carlsen rejoins tournament he qu... by protonbob on Monday December 30, 2024 @10:31AM (#42550143)
What's wrong with exclusion? They want to exclude people from the tournament that don't want to follow a traditional dress code.
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Re:Chess grandmaster Magnus Carlsen rejoins tournament he qu... by bfdm on Monday December 30, 2024 @10:41AM (#42550244)
Private facilities and groups are free to have those policies, but I also think its reasonable and expected for members to object and change the rules over time, especially the elites.
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Re:Chess grandmaster Magnus Carlsen rejoins tournament he qu... by mongol on Monday December 30, 2024 @10:27AM (#42550098)
What would you say about a dress code at a wedding or a funeral? Are they decided in order to exclude?
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Re:Chess grandmaster Magnus Carlsen rejoins tournament he qu... by bfdm on Monday December 30, 2024 @10:38AM (#42550214)
Yes, they are. Typically these are enforced as flexible social norms, though, with individuals free to determine reasonable deviations within convention. They'll rarely be used to remove someone. It's an implied dress code, effectively, but with considerable grey area.

Some weddings are explicit, sure. And that's a couple's choice, to exclude some of their friends and family.

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Re:Chess grandmaster Magnus Carlsen rejoins tournament he qu... by ithkuil on Monday December 30, 2024 @05:01PM (#42554028)
Don't you think there is a difference between accidental and intentional exclusion?
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Re:Chess grandmaster Magnus Carlsen rejoins tournament he qu... by Veen on Monday December 30, 2024 @03:31PM (#42553172)
Often, excluding people who won't conform is necessary if a community is to achieve its aims.
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