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Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by bdangubic on Sunday December 29, 2024 @06:21PM (#42544491)
messaging is hard when prices never went down… you can’t send economist/finacial times article explaining what biden was able to pull of (albeit the raising deficit) to a farmer in oklahoma who is paying 80% more for his groceries…
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by Aunche on Sunday December 29, 2024 @08:04PM (#42545290)
Another problem is that people will blame the government entirely on inflation, but then give themselves the credit for wage increases. It doesn't help that wage increases disproportionately go towards those those to switch jobs.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by bdangubic on Sunday December 29, 2024 @08:34PM (#42545486)
it is extremely difficult to make this into an election issue - impossible to explain to “joe voter”
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by data_maan on Monday December 30, 2024 @02:33AM (#42547340)
The fundamental issue is that Joe voter is dumb - but you can't tell him that, or he won't vote for you (as Hillary Clinton found out).

The million-dollar question is: How to you make Joe voter be less dumb?

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by bdangubic on Monday December 30, 2024 @08:45AM (#42549187)
Joe Voter is not as dumb as you might think... otherwise just in recent history there would be different election results in 2018 and 2020...
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by seanmcdirmid on Sunday December 29, 2024 @06:53PM (#42544747)
> messaging is hard when prices never went down…

The opposite of inflation (when prices go up), deflation (when prices go down) is never a good thing. But explaining that a bit of inflation is a good thing is something all economists agree on but most normal people can't understand. The fact that velocity should always be positive, and that "lower inflation" means lowering the rate of price growth, not deflation, is also something they don't get.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by roenxi on Monday December 30, 2024 @03:39AM (#42547614)
I doubt all economists agree on that because it is obviously not true. For example if there was a period where the CPI dropped combined with increasing wages across the workforce, that'd be pretty great for most people.

Deflation, in the abstract. is about as good or bad as inflation. Slightly better because a serious deflationary crisis is much less damaging than an inflationary one. You go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflation#Historical_examples and it is a whos-who of countries who then went on to be successful and prosperous and a few TBDs in the 2010s - there might be examples of catastrophic deflation but they haven't made it to Wikipedia yet.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by seanmcdirmid on Monday December 30, 2024 @12:37PM (#42551478)
Deflation is universally considered bad, I don’t think there are many economists, if any at all, who think it’s a good thing. The problem with deflation is that everyone stops consuming in hope of better prices, like Japan, and the way they dig out of deflation is via artificially inducing inflation. It is definitely an easier problem to solve than excessive inflation, but deflation usually underlines a bigger problem with the economy.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by roenxi on Monday December 30, 2024 @02:57PM (#42552809)
> The problem with deflation is that everyone stops consuming in hope of better prices, like Japan...

May as well say the problem with inflation is people stop consuming because things cost more, like Tuvalu. You've picked a random high performing economy and claimed that its existence shows that people buy less when prices drop (an exotic claim). It is an unusually weak argument because it contradicts basic supply-demand logic and you've put your fingers on no evidence.

One of the reasons democracy works so well is that voters ignore that sort of unsupported just-so economic mumbo jumbo and vote for change when their living standards drop. It isn't a great algorithm but it is a lot better than the alternatives.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by bdangubic on Monday December 30, 2024 @04:27PM (#42553748)
100% - that is exactly it
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by bdangubic on Monday December 30, 2024 @02:13PM (#42552456)
The opposite of inflation (when prices go up), deflation (when prices go down) is never a good thing

so if we have high inflation say due to global pandemic's effects on global supply and in response we get say 40-100% price increases (say milk was $1.00/gallon and now it is say $1.50/gallon, a modest 50% increase).

so now inflation eases, global supply chain in back to normal etc etc... we should expect now that milk prices will stay forever at $1.50/gallon (or higher) because now that would be deflation if the prices eased…?! :)

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by oh_my_goodness on Sunday December 29, 2024 @06:43PM (#42544670)
It's not that hard to explain that prices stopped rising, which is what it means to kill inflation. Even Trump explained that point pretty clearly. After the election.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by bdangubic on Sunday December 29, 2024 @06:45PM (#42544684)
we’ll see how that will work in 2026 midterms :) he didn’t explain jackshit. he’ll try to play the word game which he also tried in 2018/2020 and we all know how that worked out
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by oh_my_goodness on Sunday December 29, 2024 @06:54PM (#42544764)
It will probably work out fine in the elections, because Trump's followers trust him to do right by them even while he's lying. Time will tell whether they're correct.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by bdangubic on Sunday December 29, 2024 @07:44PM (#42545131)
Trump followera alone is nowhere near enough to win an election in the USA.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by data_maan on Monday December 30, 2024 @02:35AM (#42547350)
While I agree on your point regarding midterm reckoning, I'm afraid people DID vote for Trump, he even won the popular vote - which is mind numbing: Americans actually WANTED to install a proven criminal and rapist as president.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by mulmen on Monday December 30, 2024 @07:21AM (#42548662)
Be careful extrapolating the intent of Americans from the majority of voters.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by bdangubic on Monday December 30, 2024 @09:22AM (#42549487)
it is extremely short-sited to think in simple terms like this. what you should be asking yourself is WHY this happened - WHY did all these people come out to vote for Trump. We are not talking here about "MAGAs" - there are nearly not enough of them to win the election. every single state in the United States moved to the right in this election... so you should stop and think this through to figure out why would America choose Trump so that it is not all that mind numbing... there is a reason this happened and you should think about that why that is...
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by oh_my_goodness on Monday December 30, 2024 @02:19PM (#42552500)
Seems clear that (effectively) nobody is voting for fraud or rape.

But I've thought about it a lot, and I'm still clueless. Something to do with lots of people getting screwed, I guess. But why ordinary folks switch their vote from a party that serves the top 20%, to a party that serves the top 0.01%, that is still mysterious to me.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by bdangubic on Monday December 30, 2024 @04:14PM (#42553611)
USA is a two-party system so come Presidential election time one gets to choose between two options. There are effectively two ways you can choose between two options:

A. you are voting FOR one of the options.

B. you are voting AGAINST the other option - hence by default you must choose the other

there is a significant number of people that are in the B. bucket (in my personal circle 9 out of 20 people fall in B. bucket, 8 of which NEVER voted for a Republican in any election prior to this one) and democratic party needs to think looooong and hard about that before midterms and especially next Presidential election

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by seanmcdirmid on Monday December 30, 2024 @12:51PM (#42551656)
A sitting president is more often than not going to lose in the mid-terms. Unless Trump has a positive approval rating going into mid-terms, he definitely loses the House (and I doubt he will positive after his first month).
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by distortionfield on Sunday December 29, 2024 @06:37PM (#42544631)
The prices definitely did go down, just not to same levels as before. But I agree Biden failed to hit on that messaging though, and Kamala made the same mistake.