Re:I Was Wrong about the Ethics Crisis (Moshe Vardi, CACM)
by Hasu on Sunday December 29, 2024 @12:48PM
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For the same reason people don't think it's OK to rob a bank and donate the money to charity.
Re:I Was Wrong about the Ethics Crisis (Moshe Vardi, CACM)
by gruez on Sunday December 29, 2024 @12:52PM
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That analogy fails because robbing a bank is straightforwardly illegal and norm-breaking (by the majority of the population), whereas being a tobacco executive isn't.
Re:I Was Wrong about the Ethics Crisis (Moshe Vardi, CACM)
by layer8 on Sunday December 29, 2024 @03:26PM
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Unethical behavior not being treated as norm-breaking unless its illegal is part of what’s being criticized here, I think.
Re:I Was Wrong about the Ethics Crisis (Moshe Vardi, CACM)
by ClumsyPilot on Sunday December 29, 2024 @03:51PM
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Not if you ask the younger generation
Re:I Was Wrong about the Ethics Crisis (Moshe Vardi, CACM)
by worik on Sunday December 29, 2024 @01:18PM
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> For the same reason people don't think it's OK to rob a bank and donate the money to charity.
I have a problem with violence...
Re:I Was Wrong about the Ethics Crisis (Moshe Vardi, CACM)
by CobrastanJorji on Sunday December 29, 2024 @01:45PM
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Because enabling evil on a large scale to pay for doing good on a small scale doesn't achieve net good.
Re:I Was Wrong about the Ethics Crisis (Moshe Vardi, CACM)
by jefftk on Sunday December 29, 2024 @01:46PM
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It wouldn't work because being a tobacco exec is just really harmful: https://80000hours.org/2016/01/just-how-bad-is-being-a-ceo-i...
Anyone who could do that job has many far better ways they could apply their career.
Re:I Was Wrong about the Ethics Crisis (Moshe Vardi, CACM)
by Avicebron on Sunday December 29, 2024 @12:52PM
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Because it's sociopathic at its core, I don't have time to pull up the HN back and forth where it was debated during the FTX stuff
but basically it comes across as, "I am willing to sacrifice others (but not myself) to achieve my goals because I know better."
Re:I Was Wrong about the Ethics Crisis (Moshe Vardi, CACM)
by gruez on Sunday December 29, 2024 @01:31PM
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>but basically it comes across as, "I am willing to sacrifice others (but not myself) to achieve my goals because I know better."
Since money is fungible but finite, basically any sort of donation decision involves sacrificing someone. Donating to fund malaria nets when you'd otherwise have funded your local little league team means you're in effect, sacrificing the local little league team. Moreover, by donating their own money, they're by definition "sacrificing myself".
Re:I Was Wrong about the Ethics Crisis (Moshe Vardi, CACM)
by int_19h on Sunday December 29, 2024 @04:21PM
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This line of thinking (and EA in general) taken to its logical conclusion results in stuff like LW's famous "moral dilemma" about torturing someone for 50 years being justifiable if it prevents sufficiently many people from the discomfort of having a speck in their eye.
You're saying this as if it's a given, but why wouldn't this work?