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Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by deaddodo on Sunday December 29, 2024 @08:04AM (#42539689)
> Sexual consent doesn't work, it never did.

> The vast majority (>95%) of people do not understand when to give consent or how to voice a no; and either always accepts, always rejects, or always tunes out.

There's consent reframed to another subject where we've (pretty universally) agreed that it is still a fundamental right.

Things are easy to waive away when you pettyfog them into cute little abstractions; which is why people discuss the fundamental meaning of things and not niche instantiations of them.

All but 1 person out of 7bln could read the consent form and, in an informed manner, accept/deny it. It wouldn't matter, all 7bln still have a right to consent.

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by saagarjha on Sunday December 29, 2024 @08:17AM (#42539760)
If 6.99 billion people cannot give informed consent on something, you have more problems than just showing the dialog.
Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by deaddodo on Sunday December 29, 2024 @08:51AM (#42539930)
Certainly, which is 100% a discussion about how to better present information.

It still doesn't change the fundamental right to consent.

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by LPisGood on Sunday December 29, 2024 @08:19AM (#42539771)
Most people treat _sex_ very differently than _data sharing_ to the point that the comparison doesn’t really hold up for me.
Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by deaddodo on Sunday December 29, 2024 @08:52AM (#42539934)
We're not talking about either, we're talking about consent.
Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS on Sunday December 29, 2024 @10:05AM (#42540364)
Sadly, sites like Tinder suggest those two objects are, in fact, treated very much the same way.
Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by aprilthird2021 on Sunday December 29, 2024 @09:03AM (#42540004)
Except that, still, to this day, most sexual consent is assumed, not explicit, even in the highest brow circles where most people are pro-explicit-sexual-consent.

The same way, most tech privacy consent is assumed, not explicit. Users dismiss popups because they want to use the app and don't care what you do with the data. Maybe later they will care, but not in the moment...

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by deaddodo on Sunday December 29, 2024 @09:15AM (#42540093)
> Except that, still, to this day, most sexual consent is assumed, not explicit

Did you miss my sarcastic little requote blurb that stated exactly that? Or do you normally rephrase the exact same point with added ad hominem attacks, and somehow frame it as a counterpoint?

> The same way, most tech privacy consent is assumed, not explicit.

And yet, you still have a right to it. In both instances.

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by aprilthird2021 on Sunday December 29, 2024 @10:02AM (#42540350)
What is the ad hominem attack here?

Anyways, the "right" you have to explicit sexual consent is not really there. In that, you cannot go to court and say "I said no" and get any meaningful damages or a conviction without other evidence. Similarly, courts treat these popups as essentially unreadable and you cannot go to court and say "They clicked "Allow"" and get away with anything unreasonable.