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Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by klibertp on Saturday December 28, 2024 @10:46AM (#42531817)
> The solution to this problem is straightforward. Putin can get out of Ukraine.

Or Ukraine can surrender. "Simple" to do, "easy" to achieve, no more Ukrainians need to die.

Disclaimer: I'm not suggesting Ukraine should surrender. I'm saying both Ukraine's surrender and the Russian pull-out are equally hard to do from their respective perspectives.

Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by fnordsensei on Saturday December 28, 2024 @12:06PM (#42532434)
Only from a very sterile perspective, divorced from humanity.

Consider what it would sound like if you applied this logic to any perpetrator/victim situation, like a rape for example.

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Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by protomolecule on Saturday December 28, 2024 @02:29PM (#42533750)
You should have said "any victim but Crimea" then.
Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by fnordsensei on Saturday December 28, 2024 @02:43PM (#42533882)
Go complain to HR at the troll farm.
Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by mopsi on Saturday December 28, 2024 @04:42PM (#42535015)
Ukraine limiting irrigation water to Crimea is peanuts compared to historical examples such as Free French Air Force participating in months of severe bombing of road and rail networks, bridges, railyards and other critical infrastructure of occupied France in preparation for the Normandy landings.
Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by Sabinus on Saturday December 28, 2024 @08:30PM (#42536576)
Ukraine is obligated to provide water for farming in a territory seized by their imperialistic neighbour?
Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by aguaviva on Saturday December 28, 2024 @12:40PM (#42532721)
I'm saying both Ukraine's surrender and the Russian pull-out are equally hard to do from their respective perspectives.

Which is completely ludicrous, of course.

For Ukraine, "surrender" means accepting permanent occupation and subjugation.

For Russia, it means they get egg on their face, basically. It will just go back to its corner and sulk for a while. Definitely very doable, as it's something they've done many times in the past.

There's simply no comparison.

And there's no symmetry at all between the two sides in this conflict.

Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by klibertp on Sunday December 29, 2024 @08:09AM (#42539715)
I said: "from their respective perspectives" - that is, subjectively. You're talking about objective facts. I don't disagree with you, but you're also not (visibly) disagreeing with me: we're discussing two entirely different things.
Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by peutetre on Sunday December 29, 2024 @08:59AM (#42539982)
> Without understanding the adversaries' beliefs, no agreement is possible.

Putin believes Ukraine is not a real country and Ukrainians are not a real people. No agreement is possible when that is his attitude.

> I don't think one-sided demands

There is only one side. This is one of the least ambiguous wars in history.