News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by SlonBog on Saturday December 28, 2024 @08:03AM (#42530775)
Also the context is Magnus wasn’t best at this tournament. He was somewhere in middle in table and had less chances of converting. He has history of throwing tantrums when on tilt (Seinqfield 2022)
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by david-gpu on Saturday December 28, 2024 @08:09AM (#42530805)
It is also his first Christmas after his mother's passing, so I think it is fair to say that he's under a lot of stress already.

We will see how other players react today. Will they wear jeans in protest?

Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by tromp on Saturday December 28, 2024 @09:23AM (#42531227)
Why would you protest against enforcement of the rules that everyone was aware of and agreed to by participating?

I agree that rules against jeans make limited sense. It makes more sense to forbid worn down or shabby looking attire. But one should abide by the rules one signs up to.

Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by wizzwizz4 on Saturday December 28, 2024 @09:37AM (#42531305)
> But one should abide by the rules one signs up to.

If it's the only competition in town, and the rules are unjust, and the organisation in question considers you #1 chess player in the world… I can hardly imagine better circumstances for civil disobedience.

Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by sadeshmukh on Saturday December 28, 2024 @10:51AM (#42531848)
I thought this only happened 9 or so games in?
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by wongarsu on Sunday December 29, 2024 @09:35AM (#42540208)
Because Magnus only appeared in Jeans after a break. He was out doing something with a sponsor or such, and came back wearing the same pants
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by delroth on Saturday December 28, 2024 @08:12AM (#42530817)
He was 2.5/3 the day he was fined (then forbidden to play) for his dress code violation, and was around rank 25 after game 8, one point behind first place. Not a winning performance but not particularly bad either.
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by stavros on Saturday December 28, 2024 @08:49AM (#42531030)
How come? I thought he was the best in the world by a fair margin.
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by bluecalm on Saturday December 28, 2024 @11:59AM (#42532373)
He is by far the best in all formats but there is some luck in chess and the best player doesn't always win - like in most competitive games/sports.
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by elif on Saturday December 28, 2024 @03:41PM (#42534485)
Luck is an interesting way of phrasing what can be simply described as pure neurological deficiencies. Your opponents brain forgot to go down a crazy sacrifice line which was actually M6. Is that luck?

Or is it a comparative grey matter evaluation in time and pressure constraints?

Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by hansvm on Saturday December 28, 2024 @06:05PM (#42535647)
With our current understanding of biology, if I model outcomes probabilistically (luck) and you model them any other non-equivalent way then I'll be more successful predicting those outcomes. The philosophy behind it is interesting, but "luck" isn't a bad way to describe what's happening to a layman when Carlsen loses.
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by noqc on Saturday December 28, 2024 @07:08PM (#42536106)
What?
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by 8note on Sunday December 29, 2024 @06:17AM (#42539261)
there is atill hidden information in chess, and thus luck when you take a guess at what it is.

you provide an example, but the luck is in guessing what the opponent would check or not check.

a clearer example is trying to play out of your opponent's prep. you dont know what lines theyve prepared, and youre taking a gamble with each move on whether theyve prepped it or not. they cant prep every possible line in the available time, regardless of how long (ding wasnt prepared for most of gukesh's attacks, with months to prepare)

theres also luck in that your opponent may not have slept well the night before because a car alarm went off at 2AM, so their comparative grey matter evaluation in time was lower than usual, or they just played a tiring long game where they lost, right before this game.

Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by n2d4 on Saturday December 28, 2024 @08:53AM (#42531045)
In classical chess, yes; in Blitz and Rapid he's still one of the best, but there's lots of good competition.
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by fastasucan on Saturday December 28, 2024 @10:11AM (#42531572)
He is both the current rapid (5 times) and blitz (7 times) world champion. He is more than one of the best.
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by elif on Saturday December 28, 2024 @03:44PM (#42534517)
And his freestyle performance was clearly shoulders ahead his peers
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by n2d4 on Saturday December 28, 2024 @03:57PM (#42534658)
Sure, but he's not invincible like in Classic; those 7 wins aren't consecutive (he lost in 2021 and won 22 & 23), meanwhile he's won every classical championship since 2013 (until he stopped playing in 2023).
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by stavros on Saturday December 28, 2024 @09:05AM (#42531128)
Ahh I missed that this wasn't classical, thank you.
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by ANewFormation on Saturday December 28, 2024 @12:29PM (#42532607)
His edge in rapid/blitz is generally seen as much larger than in classical.

One of the biggest examples of this was in his title defense against Caruana. Every game of that match had been drawn, and in the final game Magnus had a very promising position where he could squeeze with basically no risk.

Instead he offered a draw which was immediately accepted. That sent the game to rapid tie breaks where he casually butchered Caruana 3-0.

Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by n2d4 on Saturday December 28, 2024 @03:52PM (#42534611)
That's because Caruana was a bad Blitz player though; on the elo rankings, Carlsen's lead is (and usually tends to be) smaller in Blitz.
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by ANewFormation on Sunday December 29, 2024 @08:02AM (#42539667)
The tie breaks were rapid, not blitz. And rapid is where Magnus' gap over #2 is the largest.

And no great player is bad at any time control - they're just 'less good'. Except Magnus - since he's #1 at everything he's just more or less dominant.

Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by nameless_me on Saturday December 28, 2024 @06:06PM (#42535659)
Oh boy, offering a draw so he could annihilate Caruana in the next phase is a totally gangsta move. <whew>