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Re:They have not been trained for this – CCC supports train ... by SR2Z on Friday December 27, 2024 @03:47PM (#42525895)
At 20k euros, would it not just be cheaper to hire some software people to jailbreak them?

If companies that did this got jailbroken and blacklisted by the government, pretty much nobody would try this bullshit.

Re:They have not been trained for this – CCC supports train ... by None4U on Friday December 27, 2024 @03:50PM (#42525909)
This ("software people to jailbreak them") is exactly the identity of the hackers who have been sued
Re:They have not been trained for this – CCC supports train ... by datavirtue on Friday December 27, 2024 @06:01PM (#42526871)
It takes a lot of resources, all rooted in a lot of uncertainty. Not an option for businesses that need equipment.
Re:They have not been trained for this – CCC supports train ... by talldayo on Friday December 27, 2024 @10:37PM (#42528353)
> Not an option for businesses that need equipment.

On the flip side, it can often be the only option for businesses that need equipment. The US has a longstanding trend of hacking John Deere tractors to accept third-party servicing since John Deere's first-party offerings are both expensive and often unavailable.

Re:They have not been trained for this – CCC supports train ... by seba_dos1 on Saturday December 28, 2024 @07:05AM (#42530447)
It not only was an option in this case, it was the path taken when all the other options were depleted.
Re:They have not been trained for this – CCC supports train ... by kosma on Friday December 27, 2024 @04:13PM (#42526082)
The company was a bit too much in bed with the government to begin with...
Re:They have not been trained for this – CCC supports train ... by pantalaimon on Friday December 27, 2024 @03:57PM (#42525965)
That’s pretty much what happened and how this story came about
Re:They have not been trained for this – CCC supports train ... by atoav on Friday December 27, 2024 @04:31PM (#42526225)
This isn't a software issue. This is a hackers-found-out-they-were-cheating-and-deactivated-their-train-DRM-and-now-these-hackers-are-getting-sued-issue.

And getting sued by a train manifacturer is typically a asymmetrical battle for a private person. Consider watching the original talk (very entertaining and insightful, probably one of the best hacking related videos I watched in 2024), and if you like them toss them a tenner or so.

Re:They have not been trained for this – CCC supports train ... by trod1234 on Friday December 27, 2024 @05:12PM (#42526558)
Rather than Cheating, don't you mean tortuous interference, followed by vexatious litigation?

When you intentionally design systems with purpose to delay, but overall sabotage, you show malice and you defraud the purchaser (after-the-fact), you also interfere with their business with third-parties, and impose coercive costs that have never been acceptable.

Coercion is generally not accepted by any civilized society that still follow its original founding principles, and coercion and corruption tend to go hand-in-hand.

Re:They have not been trained for this – CCC supports train ... by majke on Friday December 27, 2024 @05:53PM (#42526822)
The firmware would need to be certified. They mentioned that in the q&a couple of minutes ago.

Apparently its a critical component.

Re:They have not been trained for this – CCC supports train ... by mx20 on Friday December 27, 2024 @06:20PM (#42526982)
I remember they said in the last talk last year that there is a "cheat code" that resets the software locks, but almost every train also had slightly different software to obfuscate that they are sabotaging their competition.
Re:They have not been trained for this – CCC supports train ... by psd1 on Friday December 27, 2024 @08:52PM (#42527866)
Yes, although i recall it was more lack of build automation meaning not every train had every patch