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Re:Why history is always political by kazinator on Friday December 27, 2024 @03:08PM (#42525571)
You are talking about the potential of political bias.

Actual political history itself can have political biases.

An apolitical history can also have political biases.

The biases aren't what make political history political, but rather its explicit discussion of politics: political events and the people behind them: the when, where, what who.

I am certainly not confused among "study of politics" and "personal politics" and "political bias" and such.

Re:Why history is always political by johnnyanmac on Friday December 27, 2024 @03:32PM (#42525768)
>An apolitical history can also have political biases.

seems contradictory. If you lived on earth, there is no "apolitical lens" to look in. You can only try to grab a truly comprehensive view by finding and studying multiple lenses.

>The biases aren't what make political history political

If you lived in a country, or need a public press to post your findings, or are simply hidden in exposure based on some private company with their own biases, I'd say all those are connected to the political.

Re:Why history is always political by kazinator on Friday December 27, 2024 @03:45PM (#42525884)
"Politics permeates everything" just seems to be like overeducated foolery.

What is the test you are using to detects politics, and what is the evidence that it universally detects politics in everything?

And if it detects politics in everything, how do you know the test works? Counterfactuality is lacking. There has to be some calibrating example of something in which the test finds no politics.

Re:Why history is always political by basfo on Friday December 27, 2024 @03:25PM (#42525711)
Nope, i'm saying that humans are political beings, as aristoteles defined it, and any human action is by itself political.

History in itself tries (or should try) to be objective and avoid the bias you mention, but that doesn't make it less political by any mean.

Re:Why history is always political by andsoitis on Friday December 27, 2024 @03:32PM (#42525765)
> Nope, i'm saying that humans are political beings, as aristoteles defined it, and any human action is by itself political.

Aristotle said politics is the study of how communities can achieve “the good life” through governance and organization. He said we are political animals (zoon politikon) who naturally form communities, such as the polis (city-state), to achieve common goals and virtue.

The idea that any human action is political cannot be attributed to Aristotle. It is also a silly and amateur assertion — to breathe is not political, to think is not political, to eat is not political, etc.

Re:Why history is always political by basfo on Friday December 27, 2024 @03:40PM (#42525839)
Well, that depends on what you eat. Do you eat meat, or are you vegan?

Breathing is a physical action, so there isn’t much to debate there. However, even some physical actions—like using the bathroom—can have political or cultural dimensions. For instance, why do you use a toilet instead of a bidet, as is common in parts of Europe or South America? That choice is shaped by cultural and economic factors that influence your behavior.

Re:Why history is always political by andsoitis on Friday December 27, 2024 @03:53PM (#42525929)
> For instance, why do you use a toilet instead of a bidet,

Because my bathroom is too small to house a bidet.

Also, a bidet and toilet don’t serve the same purpose so your example is a false choice.

> Well, that depends on what you eat. Do you eat meat, or are you vegan?

The choice of what to eat can reflect or engage with political and social systems, but it isn’t a political act. It is a personal act. And “to eat” is also not a political act.

Re:Why history is always political by kazinator on Friday December 27, 2024 @04:13PM (#42526088)
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Re:Why history is always political by andsoitis on Friday December 27, 2024 @04:33PM (#42526246)
Thank you. I'm well aware of the innovation in bidet and toilet technologies to assist in more hygienic defecation routines and the different environmental impact such as less toilet paper, different energy considerations, plastics, water usage, etc.
Re:Why history is always political by text0404 on Friday December 27, 2024 @05:53PM (#42526825)
is your bathroom too small because you don't make enough money for a larger bathroom? is it because of government regulations regarding habitations? why are you living in that location? what circumstances led you to make that decision? ie, even the size of your bathroom has its own politics in the sense that it contains a history of decision making and power dynamics.
Re:Why history is always political by kazinator on Friday December 27, 2024 @03:47PM (#42525892)
I just farted; is that political?

Note that absolutely nobody is around.

Re:Why history is always political by basfo on Friday December 27, 2024 @03:58PM (#42525977)
It depends, would you still have farted if someone else were around?
Re:Why history is always political by kazinator on Friday December 27, 2024 @04:14PM (#42526098)
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Re:Why history is always political by tremon on Friday December 27, 2024 @07:45PM (#42527509)
humans are political beings, as aristoteles defined it, and any human action is by itself political

Do you have a direct quote for that? For me, this seems like more than a mere misunderstanding of Aristoteles' work. In Politics book 1, he already explicitly distinguishes between "oikonomike" (the household) and "politike" (the city state) as being two different spheres of engagement. So the claim that any human action is by itself political is just plain false, as actions can either be political or domestic. I struggle to think of any work where he classified mundane acts such as eating as belonging to either category, it seems out of character to me.

Secondly, in Ethics Aristotle stated that he considered politics as a means to an end, not a goal in and of itself: the goal of man is to lead a morally virtuous life, and the goal of the community is to enable and enhance the moral character of its citizens. Therefore, the virtuous man engages in politics to increase the virtue of his entire community, in order to breed more virtuous men. He was also quite clear that public education was required (Politics, book 8) to mold the young into successful statesmen. Both of these seems at odds with your assertion that "humans are political beings" by default.